Memory Training Unlikely to Help in Treating ADHD

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Originally Posted by meadd823

No - The way I read McTavish, he is referring to any and all companies who stand to profit from selling brain games not any one specifically.


When McTavish entered the thread in post #53 is was addressing the topic his post just happen to come after yours.

Post #57 was simply a clarification - answering the question of who had a "vested interest".

No where is McTavish seeking to single any one out.

Hope this helps. .. .

Yes Thanks Meadd823,

My apologies to McTavish ,

Its nothing personal against anyone.

And the problem may very well be my own misunderstanding.

I did have my own overstanding of "vested interest",

before the topic was brought up.

I wanted to see if it was the same.

Because the whole "vested interest" discussion point,

could be counter productive,

if we looked at the numbers across the board.

In terms of who is benefiting from what.

If you know what I mean.

But I think the discussion goes both ways.

So doesn't make sense to waste anyones time.

Stickman and What is he hiding also fit in the same catagory.

Wish I could send those down the road.

And see what is going on now.

Emotional Pain is the problem.

[ConcertaParent]

Yet another new study in the WM War.

Will Working Memory Training Generalize to Improve Off-Task Behavior in

Children with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

WM training led to significant reductions in off-task ADHD-associated

behavior on the RAST system and improvement on WM tests.

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These preliminary data suggest WM training may provide a mechanism for

indirectly altering academic performance in children with ADHD.

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I don't think Point of Performance is the the only part,

but the idea does have an important role,

in regard to treatment and therapy for ADHD.


I wonder what the difference would be,

if the memory training was done at the point of performance.(Physical Space, proper conditions for development)

Verses not done at the point of performance?(No Physical Space, not proper conditions for development)


Example of what is the point of performance.

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127410

[ConcertaParent]

I'm trying out brain training such as AttenGo for my child. How else can I apply Dr. Barkley's point of performance advice besides the following?

- Do the brain training BEFORE she starts her homework instead of after.
- Before school starts in the morning, try to do Dual N-Back or one level of AttenGo.
- Part of her IEP allows her to use an iPod Touch at school, so get her to play one of the Dual N-Back apps first before doing anything else on the iPod, especially before a test.

Originally Posted by Geronimoo Back-Y-Rita

I wonder what the difference would be,

if the memory training was done at the point of performance.(Physical Space, proper conditions for development)

Verses not done at the point of performance?(No Physical Space, not proper conditions for development)

[mctavish23]

G-B-Y-R,

Apology accepted and Thanks.

Good luck.

tc

mctavish23

(Robert)

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Originally Posted by ConcertaParent

I'm trying out brain training such as AttenGo for my child. How else can I apply Dr. Barkley's point of performance advice besides the following?

- Do the brain training BEFORE she starts her homework instead of after.
- Before school starts in the morning, try to do Dual N-Back or one level of AttenGo.
- Part of her IEP allows her to use an iPod Touch at school, so get her to play one of the Dual N-Back apps first before doing anything else on the iPod, especially before a test.

ConcertaParent,

I need to reread this thread.

But my first question is,

does she like doing the exercises?

[PookDo]

Reading this thread has made me feel like I have wasted a lot of time and money on stuff that won't work with me because of the way my brain is. What's are my options? Therapy? What will that due? Not to sound like a jerk but its getting really frustrating my only options are to take meds for the rest of my life or go to therapy which may or may not help. I want to cry

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Originally Posted by mctavish23

G-B-Y-R,

Apology accepted and Thanks.

Good luck.

tc

mctavish23

(Robert)

I am interested in the how the brain develops.

Neuroplasticity is free.

People can go to the gym to workout,

but the gym is not the only place to work out.


There is no way to understand how neuroplasticity works,

if we don't understand stress.


The effects of stress on learning,

and also the effects of stress ,

on the development of the "organs" that learn.

I think is key to understand.


The brain parts involved,

are being developed for the first time.

And brain parts that are already developed,

may require different approaches in treatment.(age)


Everytime I talk about stress,

people want to wait ,

while looking down the road.

And I look with them,

wondering what they are looking for?


There is tonnes of research provided about stress and learning.

And it requires us looking at ourselves with compassion.

People with and with out ADHD.


My apologies to anyone I might have offended,

I get my knickers in a twist,

when people get scared of the word stress.

Stresses me out.

The question seems to be do we really want to know or not?



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Originally Posted by PookDo

Reading this thread has made me feel like I have wasted a lot of time and money on stuff that won't work with me because of the way my brain is. What's are my options? Therapy? What will that due? Not to sound like a jerk but its getting really frustrating my only options are to take meds for the rest of my life or go to therapy which may or may not help. I want to cry

What do you want to accomplish?

We have ADHD,

take it easy on yourself.

[ConcertaParent]

Unfortunately, AttenGo is extremely boring so far. She basically has to press the space bar whenever the ball colour changes, then is occasionally told to breathe in and exhale slowly. When she complains how boring it is, I have to bribe her that she will get to do what she wants after the 30 minutes of training per day (3-5 times/week), e.g., playing with Nintendo 3DS, Moshi Monsters or Monster High.

Hopefully, the 2,000 minutes that she will spend on this training will be worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Geronimoo Back-Y-Rita

ConcertaParent, I need to reread this thread. But my first question is, does she like doing the exercises?

[Drewbacca]

Originally Posted by PookDo

Reading this thread has made me feel like I have wasted a lot of time and money on stuff that won't work with me because of the way my brain is. What's are my options? Therapy? What will that due? Not to sound like a jerk but its getting really frustrating my only options are to take meds for the rest of my life or go to therapy which may or may not help. I want to cry

To put things in perspective.
You are on one side of a mountain and need to get to the other side.
The shortest path is to climb the mountain. However, you don't have proper shoes and keep sliding back down. So you do some training in order to get up that mountain. Then someone tells you that tests have shown that such training doesn't really help so much and you are wasting your time. So your only choice is to cry? No! We find ways to adapt, play into our strengths, and we find another way around that stupid mountain. Maybe you dig through it, maybe you use dynamite, maybe you fly over it, maybe you walk around it... it doesn't matter what method you use, so much as you find the method that works for you! We may not be able to accomplish the same tasks at the same speed as the NTs but that doesn't meant we can't find another way. That's what we are really here for, right? To learn from each other and find ways to adapt (and also to give support).

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.”
― Albert Einstein

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Originally Posted by ConcertaParent

Unfortunately, AttenGo is extremely boring so far. She basically has to press the space bar whenever the ball colour changes, then is occasionally told to breathe in and exhale slowly. When she complains how boring it is, I have to bribe her that she will get to do what she wants after the 30 minutes of training per day (3-5 times/week), e.g., playing with Nintendo 3DS, Moshi Monsters or Monster High.

Hopefully, the 2,000 minutes that she will spend on this training will be worthwhile.

Will you do me a favor?

Will you do the exercises with her?

Sometimes less is more with this approach.

It is especially good if you relax and let her laugh at you if things get a little funny.

The connection (relationship between the different signal senses,

going back and forth,

between you and your daughter is very very important.)

The goal is to get her to relax.(self regulation)

Use the exercises as a guide.

Be serious,

act in the way you want her to act.

It makes it funnier.


Neighboring receptors around the original excited receptor,

all start to work,

if the child is happy,

or really interested in a topic that makes them happy.


I would try before bedtime,(but I am not sure)

every weekday ,(maybe not friday)

for ten minutes each if you can't do the exercise at exactly the same time?




The ADHD brain has a sensitive fight freeze or flight stress response system.

"Learning mode" will not work when stressed.

The exercise results must be taken lightly.

When the time is right,

the growth in self regulation will show.

But probably later than normal with ADHDers.

Forget any expectations and enjoy yourself.

Self regulation is exercised in between the relationship,

if that makes sense?

I am going to look up the AttendGo researcher,

and see if I can understand why they think it will work?.

You might be able to decide with your daughter?

If it works?

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ConcertaParent,


Here is some information that I found helps,

the information might or might not be exactly your situation,

but the general idea is the same for everyone.

"Regardless of age, youngsters can begin working on developmental levels they have been unable to master, but they can do so only in the context of a close , personal relationship with a devoted adult."-Stanley Greenspan, M.D., THE GROWTH OF THE MIND

http://www.addforums.com/forums/show....php?t=104779&




Side Note: When I posted this information,

I could not type,

and it took me forever.

Now I can type pretty good.

Without even looking at the key board much.




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[PookDo]

I had a really rough day at work yesterday and I still think even though I spend quite a bit of time hear I'm still very much in denial about having ADHD and how it impacts my life.

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Originally Posted by PookDo

I had a really rough day at work yesterday and I still think even though I spend quite a bit of time hear I'm still very much in denial about having ADHD and how it impacts my life.

PookDo

I have been thinking about your response since yesterday.

Do you have any regional ADHD meetings,

where you can actually talk to other ADHDers in person?

I think we all go through the denial of having ADHD to some degree.



What makes you not think you have ADHD?

I was really surprised when my own father encouraged me to take medication,

that really helped.

When I got diagnosed,

I had about a week of pure joy.

I kept putting 1+1 together and realizing,

"that's why I did/do that".

Kind of thoughts.

In regards to treating ADHD,

is a little more individual.

Being born all sensitive ADHDers,

we still all experience different experiences that shape our ADHD.

Looking at my individual experience,

and braking things down into parts really helped me.

ADHD has multi factors to it.

This topic can't be addressed in one reply,

but if you want to keep in contact through thread posts or PM.

I enjoy discussing the topics and I can relate to what I think you are saying.

Where you diagnosed ADHD by professionals?