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List of non-medicinal options?

Hi

I am interested in more learning about "non-medicinal" options.

Example

I recently decided to avoid fructose, lactose, and I find avoiding these, helps improve my overall capacity.

What non-medicinal options work for you?

Side note, this thread is not meant as a debate, "to medicate or not medicate".

But in addition to being medicated (or not), what else helps improve your life, living with ADHD?


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Re: List of non-medicinal options?

Hi P,
I suppose it depends which part of ADHD as I think the different parts are helped by different things .. but for me I would say:

1. SLEEP - my Achilles heel when I'm stressed. Insufficient sleep and I reckon all ADHD symptomatology go out the window really. Stopping screens 2 hrs before bed is a big one for me.

2. MINDFULNESS / MEDITATION: have been instrumental in helping me manage my emotions, better manage low self-esteem, help with focus, help with impulsivity

3. EXERCISE / HEALTHY VEGO DIET, LIMIT SUGAR & CHEMS ETC - all these sort of lifestyle ones are about getting as much NATURAL vitality to your body as possible. If I don't exercise I'm far more emotionally reactive and stressed. And I'm talking about big cardio here - not yoga or chi gong although I also use those for relaxation also. Plant-based diet with little sugar and avoid processed / packaged food - simply because it makes me feel much better and more energetic and if I eat cr@p, I feel like cr@p and have no energy.

4. DRUMMING and DANCING: very helpful for focus and attention .. and brings joy and happiness!

5. GREEN TIME OVER SCREEN TIME: I've specifically moved myself to semi-rural 3 years ago because getting regular hits of nature keeps me calm. I did the pumping city life in big cities burning adrenaline for years and it was all incredibly stressful. Getting away from the non-stop horns, road-rage and increasing levels of stress in the city has lead to decreased stress on multiple levels which means reduced ADHD symptoms. TV sits in corner with a blanket over it and doesn't get turned on too often because majority of teev these days is stress-inducing + a big time waster that reduces time and /or inclination for most other points in this list.

So reflecting on that list after writing it, summary is that most of them are to do with stress reduction.

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Hi P,
I suppose it depends which part of ADHD as I think the different parts are helped by different things .. but for me I would say:

1. SLEEP - my Achilles heel when I'm stressed. Insufficient sleep and I reckon all ADHD symptomatology go out the window really. Stopping screens 2 hrs before bed is a big one for me.

2. MINDFULNESS / MEDITATION: have been instrumental in helping me manage my emotions, better manage low self-esteem, help with focus, help with impulsivity

3. EXERCISE / HEALTHY VEGO DIET, LIMIT SUGAR & CHEMS ETC - all these sort of lifestyle ones are about getting as much NATURAL vitality to your body as possible. If I don't exercise I'm far more emotionally reactive and stressed. And I'm talking about big cardio here - not yoga or chi gong although I also use those for relaxation also. Plant-based diet with little sugar and avoid processed / packaged food - simply because it makes me feel much better and more energetic and if I eat cr@p, I feel like cr@p and have no energy.

4. DRUMMING and DANCING: very helpful for focus and attention .. and brings joy and happiness!

5. GREEN TIME OVER SCREEN TIME: I've specifically moved myself to semi-rural 3 years ago because getting regular hits of nature keeps me calm. I did the pumping city life in big cities burning adrenaline for years and it was all incredibly stressful. Getting away from the non-stop horns, road-rage and increasing levels of stress in the city has lead to decreased stress on multiple levels which means reduced ADHD symptoms. TV sits in corner with a blanket over it and doesn't get turned on too often because majority of teev these days is stress-inducing + a big time waster that reduces time and /or inclination for most other points in this list.

So reflecting on that list after writing it, summary is that most of them are to do with stress reduction.

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Thanks R

Great list to work and play on.

Learning to reflect on happiness and joy.

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Melatonin helps me sleep.
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I've never tried Melatonin.

I would like to learn more about Melatonin.


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Re: List of non-medicinal options?

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Melatonin helps me sleep.
sarahsweets, how much melatonin do you take? I've been experimenting with Melatonin on and off for a few months and I'm unsure of the benefits. After I take it I can start to feel a little more tired, but I still seem to have the same sleep problems. My problem is that I constantly wake up. I have no problem falling asleep.
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sarahsweets, how much melatonin do you take? I've been experimenting with Melatonin on and off for a few months and I'm unsure of the benefits. After I take it I can start to feel a little more tired, but I still seem to have the same sleep problems. My problem is that I constantly wake up. I have no problem falling asleep.

For me less is more with melatonin. I take 3 mg any more than that and I wake up feeling like a zombie.
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Not eating reduces sleep requirement.
After which - eat and delicious deep sleep.
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Hi P,
I suppose it depends which part of ADHD as I think the different parts are helped by different things .. but for me I would say:

1. SLEEP - my Achilles heel when I'm stressed. Insufficient sleep and I reckon all ADHD symptomatology go out the window really. Stopping screens 2 hrs before bed is a big one for me.

2. MINDFULNESS / MEDITATION: have been instrumental in helping me manage my emotions, better manage low self-esteem, help with focus, help with impulsivity

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4. DRUMMING and DANCING: very helpful for focus and attention .. and brings joy and happiness!

5. GREEN TIME OVER SCREEN TIME: I've specifically moved myself to semi-rural 3 years ago because getting regular hits of nature keeps me calm. I did the pumping city life in big cities burning adrenaline for years and it was all incredibly stressful. Getting away from the non-stop horns, road-rage and increasing levels of stress in the city has lead to decreased stress on multiple levels which means reduced ADHD symptoms. TV sits in corner with a blanket over it and doesn't get turned on too often because majority of teev these days is stress-inducing + a big time waster that reduces time and /or inclination for most other points in this list.

So reflecting on that list after writing it, summary is that most of them are to do with stress reduction.

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That article on drumming and the head to head results of Drumming Vs Ritalin was so interesting- though, to follow up on Peripheral's comment, I think "either /or approaches to the problem are primitive and it is often much more useful to add complementary approaches to what is already working rather than to obsessively aim to avoid medication.
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OK- Here is a Biggie:
Earthing.

I have recently acquired a bedsheet which has silver wires through it and connects to the ground plug in the power point.

This is something that my friends had encouraged me to do for some time- and the results have been quite spectacular in terms of reduction in overall stress state and improvements in sleep. It has also greatly reduced my residual back pain issues.

I will start another thread on it- as I am very impressed with the science that demonstrates clear cut and beneficial physiological shifts upon earthing an un-earthed person.
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Good thread.

I go by what current experts e.g. Solanto, Barkley et al, say about a combination of remedial (non-medical) and medical therapies being the gold standard for ADD treatment.

I agree with Ruby - looking after yourself in an holistic sense is really important. It's not uncommon for Corporate Chanel-suited Type-A Wonder-Women to find ourselves, by choice, downsizing a couple of decades later.

What I've noticed, and read about, is that depending on what stage of the life cycle you're in, you may be able to cope quite easily with high stress levels, unmedicated / undiagnosed ADD etc. But later in life it's important to make changes to suit current circumstances.

And I agree with KD about exploring new and different methodologies that may or may not prove to be worth the effort.

Fundamentally, though, I'm sticking with a pretty straight "diet" of ADD meds, and all the things my Grandmother told me about how to look after yourself!

PS With regard to Melatonin... back in the dark ages, before I was diagnosed with ADD, I had shocking insomnia. I used to swallow a half a jar of Melatonin to absolutely no effect. In desperation, as a working sole-parent of two very young children who depended on me for everything, I got a prescription for Stilnox (Ambien), and gradually drugged myself back into a "normal" sleeping pattern; then after about six months, I weaned myself off it. It was explained to me that sleep is a learned habit. I can highly recommend, as a temporary measure, going for the big pharmaceutical guns on something as critical as retraining yourself to sleep properly.

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Good thread.

I go by what current experts e.g. Solanto, Barkley et al, say about a combination of remedial (non-medical) and medical therapies being the gold standard for ADD treatment.

I agree with Ruby - looking after yourself in an holistic sense is really important. It's not uncommon for Corporate Chanel-suited Type-A Wonder-Women to find ourselves, by choice, downsizing a couple of decades later.

What I've noticed, and read about, is that depending on what stage of the life cycle you're in, you may be able to cope quite easily with high stress levels, unmedicated / undiagnosed ADD etc. But later in life it's important to make changes to suit current circumstances.

And I agree with KD about exploring new and different methodologies that may or may not prove to be worth the effort.

Fundamentally, though, I'm sticking with a pretty straight "diet" of ADD meds, and all the things my Grandmother told me about how to look after yourself!

PS With regard to Melatonin... back in the dark ages, before I was diagnosed with ADD, I had shocking insomnia. I used to swallow a half a jar of Melatonin to absolutely no effect. In desperation, as a working sole-parent of two very young children who depended on me for everything, I got a prescription for Stilnox (Ambien), and gradually drugged myself back into a "normal" sleeping pattern; then after about six months, I weaned myself off it. It was explained to me that sleep is a learned habit. I can highly recommend, as a temporary measure, going for the big pharmaceutical guns on something as critical as retraining yourself to sleep properly.

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After treating my anxiety for a few months, my psych asked me how well I slept.
I told him that I kept a low watt reading lamp on at my bedside all night,
and when I woke up and could not get back to sleep, I'd just read until I fell asleep again.
I had been doing that for many years and remember my mom doing much the same.

He suggested I try Trazadone which was originally an antidepressant/antianxiety med.
Like you, after six months I was sleeping well and took a half dose for a week or so, then stopped.
I do still wake up at night pretty often, but am able to go back to sleep now.
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have you tried the special release formulation of melatonin, as a kid i used to have 5mg standard but im on circadin which is a special release formulation...i can easily stay up on it if i dont put myself in bed and follow good sleep regimen but...plus side is i dont feel anything from it in the mornings.
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