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This story made me sick.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/us/acl...uffed-lawsuit/

I cant even believe this crossed the mind of an adult in a classroom of kids with disabilities. More training and education is needed across the country! This could have been me. Having been treated as a bad kid with no goals or drive, and having suffered meltdowns in school, I am sure the wrong person would have treated me this way.
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Re: This story made me sick.

I'm still so disgusted by this
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Re: This story made me sick.

Many years ago, I was in a situation (luckily only one child not a classroom) where a 7-year-old boy was doing his best to hit me. I decided to put my hand on top of his head till he stopped, because that way he couldn't reach anymore.

My little experience included some lessons for me, but also raises some questions.

First, looking back on how it happened, in the few minutes leading up to the incident, I made several newbie-teacher mistakes that (metaphorically only) "backed him into a corner" - basically he could do what I was asking, or he could hit me, but there wasn't really another way out. Leaving a little kid with no real choice, and then having the gall to blame him for the result, is not very smart.

But in a class full of other children, things might get interesting. What should the teacher do? "Not that", says everyone. All right - fair enough - not that. Now what?
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Many years ago, I was in a situation (luckily only one child not a classroom) where a 7-year-old boy was doing his best to hit me. I decided to put my hand on top of his head till he stopped, because that way he couldn't reach anymore.

My little experience included some lessons for me, but also raises some questions.

First, looking back on how it happened, in the few minutes leading up to the incident, I made several newbie-teacher mistakes that (metaphorically only) "backed him into a corner" - basically he could do what I was asking, or he could hit me, but there wasn't really another way out. Leaving a little kid with no real choice, and then having the gall to blame him for the result, is not very smart.

But in a class full of other children, things might get interesting. What should the teacher do? "Not that", says everyone. All right - fair enough - not that. Now what?

This is where giving the child the opportunity to move is very helpful. If they have reached the point of out of control, movement can help get it back. For a 7 year old.

When my daughter was that age, her teacher had an arrangement with a teacher down the hall. When my child was reaching her limit, she would take a "note" to that other teacher. Got her out of the classroom. Let her move a bit.

It worked very well for her.
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My God Sarah, this is disturbing on so many levels.
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Re: This story made me sick.

I am to some small extent sympathetic to the teacher guy. He screwed up, badly. It seems to me that he must have made several wrong moves, to get those kids' behaviour to where it ended up. His "solution" was his biggest wrong move of all, obviously. But I've made some stupid moves on the job, too.

My father (who is no longer with us), a farm boy born in the 1920s, still remembered when a teacher tying a child into his chair at school was not that unexpected. That doesn't make it right, but it might give this discussion a slightly broader focus. Note, though, that the teachers doing that were not police officers and were not (in addition to the other problems with this whole thing) misusing handcuffs, and I expect were much less scary over all.
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I am to some small extent sympathetic to the teacher guy. He screwed up, badly. It seems to me that he must have made several wrong moves, to get those kids' behaviour to where it ended up. His "solution" was his biggest wrong move of all, obviously. But I've made some stupid moves on the job, too.

My father (who is no longer with us), a farm boy born in the 1920s, still remembered when a teacher tying a child into his chair at school was not that unexpected. That doesn't make it right, but it might give this discussion a slightly broader focus. Note, though, that the teachers doing that were not police officers and were not (in addition to the other problems with this whole thing) misusing handcuffs, and I expect were much less scary over all.
It has been 24 years since I've been in school for early childhood education, but there was NOT enough education on kids that fell outside the "norm".

Working in a severe/profound handicapped (the term is constantly changing, but that is what is was back then) school, for 8-22 year olds that were unable to be mainstreamed, was eye opening about how lacking the standard ways of dealing with kids really were.
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It has been 24 years since I've been in school for early childhood education, but there was NOT enough education on kids that fell outside the "norm".

Working in a severe/profound handicapped (the term is constantly changing, but that is what is was back then) school, for 8-22 year olds that were unable to be mainstreamed, was eye opening about how lacking the standard ways of dealing with kids really were.
I did some training at a well-regarded local college to become an ESL teacher for adults. There was never even the tiniest hint that my future students might not all be the same in terms of learning. We had some instruction on basic sensitivity to cultural issues, but that was it.

Now, that was aimed toward teaching adults, so I guess the issue of coercion etc is a little less pressing - but really, no coverage at all, not even a passing mention of "You might have students who are outside the norm"?

Maybe my short ESL-teaching course merely highlights one of the main difficulties - there's always too much course work to handle, always too little time to do it, always pressure on administrators to make courses more popular and accessible by cutting things out, and so on.
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I think what is most disturbing is this guy isnt a teacher! He is a cop. He is not a teacher and has no business acting like one.
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I think what is most disturbing is this guy isnt a teacher! He is a cop. He is not a teacher and has no business acting like one.
According to the article he was always a teacher and only joined the police force later.
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I don't know which is worse, the fact that this is so obviously wrong for an adult to restrain a small child in handcuffs; or that the school did not seem to provide ANY training, or ok first of all, a police officer in a disclipinary role in an elementary school? really?
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According to the article he was always a teacher and only joined the police force later.
Right but he should have been trained on how to handle difficult kids as an officer now that he isnt a teacher anymore. Dont get me wrong, I used to teach preschool many moons ago and I know now that I too made a lot of mistakes with how I handled "problem" kids. Part of the reason I struggled was because I didnt receive any training on how to handle kids mid-meltdown. I was briefly trained and thrown into running a pre-k class at the age of 20 and was very much winging it. This was 20 years ago when there was less known about adhd. Now though, there are no excuses for not training teachers and staff, especially in a special ed, kids with disabilities environment.
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I think teachers /cops or whatever should keep their f**king hands off of children ....unless there's any risk to the child or other people.

There is absolutely no excuse for this in the 21st century NONE
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