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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

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Being overly fidgety and squirmy, moreso than other kids in their age group.

Having an inability to sit still for calm activities like eating and having books read to them.

Talking and making noise excessively.

Running from toy to toy, or constantly being in motion.

My granddaughter was age 5 when I commented to a friend that I had
noticed these things before she started pre-school, and they had not
improved over time.

When I took her to story time at the library, the leader would guide the kids
through an activity like "The wheels on the bus" and then they would sit down
while she read them a story.

My granddaughter could not sit quietly. She would wriggle around, from butt
to knees and back and even lying down. She would interrupt the story teller
to share an event that the story reminded her about, or to ask a question.
The other children sat and listened quietly before the next activity, even kids
who were younger than she was.

Same thing at the dinner table, from sitting on her butt, to kneeling, to
standing in the seat, to getting down to get something or do something.

Often interrupting other people, saying "Mom" over and over before mom
could even ask "What?" And when she was asked what she wanted she didn't
remember...
I love when you and other members describe things I can relate to.




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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

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Have you browsed the thread in the children's sub-forum called something like
"You know your child has ADHD when ..." There are lots of stories like these.
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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

My daughter was diagnosed at age 7. Prior to that time I warred with myself if she was being a kid or if there was an issue. ALL kids have the inability to regulate self control, all kids have issues focusing, all kids have hyperactive outbursts....so how do you know it's ADHD or if they are being a normal kid? I didn't really come to the decision to take her to talk to a psychiatrist until second grade, when the school called with several ADHD issues. That is why MY kids wasn't medicated until age 7.
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My daughter was diagnosed at age 7. Prior to that time I warred with myself if she was being a kid or if there was an issue. ALL kids have the inability to regulate self control, all kids have issues focusing, all kids have hyperactive outbursts....so how do you know it's ADHD or if they are being a normal kid? I didn't really come to the decision to take her to talk to a psychiatrist until second grade, when the school called with several ADHD issues. That is why MY kids wasn't medicated until age 7.
I think it was harder for my daughter, mom of my adhd granddaughter, to
realize the behaviors were not so typical. She was an only child who didn't do
any babysitting or childcare, having no interest in babies or toddlers.

I grew up in a family of 5 kids and as a teen I babysat a lot of kids, so I had
more experience in the typical range of "normal" or neurotypical children.
I was noticing traits in my granddaughter by the age of 3 that were different,
but she was 5 before I got a hint of what direction to look.

Everything I read about adhd was undoubtedly what she and I were both
living with. I had been searching for the answer to my own oddities for many
years but nothing had ever quite fit. Until I read about adhd, and then nearly
everything fit. We just have a few extra pieces in our puzzles.
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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

When I was a tot my mum brought me to many a specialist because she sensed something was not quite right with me.

That said, me, the inveterate people pleaser, would always win the favor of whatever specialist, and do my very best on the cognitive tests given, such that they would conclude not only was there nothing wrong with me, but indeed, I was a specially-gifted child.

And then there was the question of what would a woman know about neurodevelopment in a child, even her own child, anyway? Surely the idle imaginings of a well-meaning, albeit unschooled, mum could easily be dismissed by those with multiple degrees and certifications, either by right of knowing better, or by coddling the “hysterics” of a new mum.

38 years later, I got my ADHD diagnosis at age 41.

What could have been had I been medicated from the start, when my disability was so clearly evident to those with open eyes and open minds?


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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

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I was noticing traits in my granddaughter by the age of 3 that were different,
but she was 5 before I got a hint of what direction to look.


Makes sense that parenting figures may notice differences when comparing temperaments, before birth and the age of 4.

But hyperactive, inattentive and impulsive behaviors are very normal behaviors before the age of 4.

Children have different ways of learning.

There is no way of knowing for sure if the hypersensitive temperament has emerged into a AD(H)D temperament before at least the age of 4.

The critical developmental period of implicit self-regulation is before 4.

Some people are born with more reactive temperaments.

But nobody is born with full control of their self-regulation.





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Makes sense that parenting figures may notice differences when comparing temperaments, before birth and the age of 4.

But hyperactive, inattentive and impulsive behaviors are very normal behaviors before the age of 4.

Children have different ways of learning.

There is no way of knowing for sure if the hypersensitive temperament has emerged into a AD(H)D temperament before at least the age of 4.

The critical developmental period of implicit self-regulation is before 4.

Some people are born with more reactive temperaments.

But nobody is born with full control of their self-regulation.





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I have read that there is one critical period of development of self regulation
in infancy, and another period that happens between age 4 and 7. But no one
has full control of self regulation at the age of 7 either.


In fact, there is no way of knowing for sure if a person has adhd at any age
since there is no definitive test to prove it.


Here's what one research professor wrote about age of onset:

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In DSM-IV, the age of onset criteria was "some hyperactive-impulsive or inattentive symptoms that caused impairment were present before age 7 years." This reflected the view that ADHD emerged relatively early in development and interfered with a child's functioning at a relatively young age.
http://www.helpforadd.com/2013/june.htm

As you say, these symptoms may be difficult to differentiate from normal
childhood traits, and the DSM-IV now says they should be noticed by the age
of 12. That doesn't mean it cannot be diagnosed before the age of 12.
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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

Not that this proves anything, but in kindergarten, my teacher did the test with us young’ins where the child is to sit at a table, on which is a cookie. The rules are that the child can have the cookie now, or if the child can wait 5 minutes, they can have 5 cookies.

I was the only child who was able to wait the 5 minutes, and then when I got my 5 cookies I gave them away.

I may have been a child, but I knew how to control myself in all manner of situations. It was, after all, a survival skill...and in my case, I learned to never, ever, show what I wanted or desired, because it would be used against me.

No 4-year-old is born with self-control, but some learn it because they are left with no other choice, neurodevelopmental deficits be damned.


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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

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I have read that there is one critical period of development of self regulation
in infancy, and another period that happens between age 4 and 7. But no one
has full control of self regulation at the age of 7 either.


In fact, there is no way of knowing for sure if a person has adhd at any age
since there is no definitive test to prove it.


Here's what one research professor wrote about age of onset:


http://www.helpforadd.com/2013/june.htm

As you say, these symptoms may be difficult to differentiate from normal
childhood traits, and the DSM-IV now says they should be noticed by the age
of 12. That doesn't mean it cannot be diagnosed before the age of 12.


I would love to discuss these topics in a different thread about the critical period of explicit development, occurring after the age of 4.

This thread is focusing on why we do not take medication during the critical period of implicit development, before the age of 4.





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Re: Why do children not take medication, before the age of 4-6?

There is absolutely a degree of hyperactivity and impulsiveness that can be recognized before age 4.

My 2 year old granddaughter has NO impulse control. None. She does not sit still, some part of her body is constantly in motion. As Lunacie has said repeatedly, every age has typical behavior, typical development. Some kids are very far outside of that norm.

I can't say about medication in one so young, it is honestly not something I have thought about in over 20 years. I feel that the child's ability to communicate what's happening in their body is very important.
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