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Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?



This thread is meant to explore the relationship between bottom-up emotional regulation and top-down emotional self-regulation.

When does dopaminergic driven bottom-up emotional motivation originating in the VTA (emotional regulation), become top-down cognitive self-motivation in the prefrontal cortex (emotional self-regulation)?

(Focusing on mesocorticallimbic dopaminergic driven pathways, involved in general motivation, originating from the VTA-------->Prefrontal cortex)









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Re: Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?

I believe this self-control increases for most of our lives, with a couple of big
gains in toddlerhood and again in the teens, around puberty.

The structure of the brain is largely formed by the age of 5 or 6, but there are
changes in that structure that are very notable just before puberty.

information from PBS Frontline "Adolescent Brains Are Works In Progress."
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Re: Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?

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I believe this self-control increases for most of our lives, with a couple of big
gains in toddlerhood and again in the teens, around puberty.

The structure of the brain is largely formed by the age of 5 or 6, but there are
changes in that structure that are very notable just before puberty.

information from PBS Frontline "Adolescent Brains Are Works In Progress."
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So from before birth to the age of 5 (*give or take), motivation is primarily emotional.

Then about the age of 5* and up, the relationship with (prefrontal) cognitive self-motivation matures enough to begin taking more and more cognitive self-control of emotional motivation (VTA)







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Re: Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?

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Peak of triangle represents the maturity of the "Outer bark" Emotional Self-Regulation (cognitive) at birth*

---/\
--/--\
-/----\
/____ \

Foundation of the triangle represents the maturity of "Inner Core" Emotional Regulation (affective) at birth*

Maturity of bottom-up emotional regulation is "bigger" than maturity of top down emotional self-regulation, during the first few years of maturation.





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So from before birth to the age of 5 (*give or take), motivation is primarily emotional.

Then about the age of 5* and up, the relationship with (prefrontal) cognitive self-motivation matures enough to begin taking more and more cognitive self-control of emotional motivation (VTA)


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From what I read the biggest advance in ability to modulate mood comes at
about age 11 or 12.
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Re: Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?

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From what I read the biggest advance in ability to modulate mood comes at
about age 11 or 12.
That might be great if the biggest advance in ability to emotional self-motivate emotional motivation is about the age 12*, because that might mean there may be a developmental window of opportunity for people diagnosed with deficits of self-motivation before the age of 12.

Edit: I think there is always the possibility for improvement, but I think the critical period of development for emotional motivation and emotional self-motivation occurs before birth and the age of 4-7*, in regards to ADHD.










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Re: Emotional motivation and Emotional self-motivation?

Top-down emotional self-motivation becomes as big, as bottom-up emotional motivation, as the top-down/bottom-up reciprocal relationship matures.


Mature top-down emotional self-motivation

-----------______
--------/\ \-------/
-------/--\ \-----/
------/----\ \---/
-----/____ \ \-/

Mature bottom-up emotional motivation






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