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HI my son is aged 7 and his has just been diagnosed with ADHD. I don't have a problem with his behaviour at home, however he struggles at school and is at least 18 months behind his peers. I really do not want to give him medication if I can help it. I am looking at modifying his diet. Does anyone have any ideas or advice please ??
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Does your doctor recommend medication?
If he needed insulin would you ignore that advice and try diet?
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HI my son is aged 7 and his has just been diagnosed with ADHD. I don't have a problem with his behaviour at home, however he struggles at school and is at least 18 months behind his peers. I really do not want to give him medication if I can help it. I am looking at modifying his diet. Does anyone have any ideas or advice please ??
I have a 15 year old son that was diagnosed with ADHD at age 13, and an 8 year old daughter that was diagnosed this past May. My daughter is about 2 years behind her peers, and my son almost failed 8th grade because he couldn't keep up with what was going on around him.

I don't have a real problem with their behavior at home. My daughter bounces off the walls a bit and I really wish she wouldn't do a cartwheel in the middle of grocery store just because there is room , and my son needs to be told things about 3 times and still may not do what was asked of him, but they are kids and I work around it.

School is just a different animal. My son did great in school up until around 6th grade, that's when they stop holding their proverbial hand and expect more from the children. He went from straight A's, to some B's in there to mostly B's and a few C's, Then the rare B, mostly C's, then the F's came. I got notices about summer school, I was called in to talk to the vice principle about my son's inability to control himself. It was all for the stupidest crud I had EVER heard of. None of it was destructive, or violent, or being disrespectful of a teacher, but they "had to discipline" him.

My son spent 32 days of 8th grade in In school Suspension. He wasn't allowed to go on the field trip because he was "a discipline problem". His heinous deeds???? He would get up to sharpen his pencil without permission, he would tap the door jam with his hand on the way out of every room, he would hum under his breath, he would tap his pencil on his desk, be asked to stop, then start it up again the next minute. He ran in the hall, he was late to class 5 times because he went to the wrong class and had to high tail it to the class he was suppose to be at. He didn't turn in homework 3 times because he didn't even know they were assigned homework. He was "off task", meaning the teacher said take out X assignment and work on it and he pulled out a different one. He was "disruptive" because he would blurt out a question without raising his hand....etc....are you getting my drift here?

Don't wait until your kid has these types of problems. I estimate my son missed over 50% of what was taught to him from 6th-9th grade, which is going to be awesome come SAT time He is now in 10th grade and has A's and B's again, and was only sent to the office ONE time from August to present, which frankly is a record, and it was because he wouldn't put away his phone when asked, which was actually deserved and not stupid.

I know there is all this new stuff about no red dyes, and glutton free, and eating can "help" with ADHD without using medicines....I can't call it all bull but I can say it may HELP with ADHD symptoms but its not like it takes away 95% of the symptoms, it's more like 10%, and it's a high maintenance way to go. Packing lunch every day, not being able to eat out, monitoring that he doesn't have snacks at his friends houses, the supplements, the vitamins...it's freaking exhausting. Yes, medicine is the "easy" way out but it doesn't make it the wrong option.
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Re: Adhd

i think that age is a crucial time to be 1.5 years behind peers and the gap may only get worse if you don't consider medication. maybe give it a trial for the rest of the year and see how he does. i understand your apprehension, but you don't want him to suffer more than he already has and will continue to if he doesn't get medical intervention.
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My son is 5 years old, and he was diagnosed with ADHD by Pediatric Neurologist. The school teacher brought up the issues that his behavior abnormal, and sometimes his behavior leading to hurting other people. For example, an art teacher wearing long necklace trying to help him with his art works; he grasped it leading to mark on her neck. One of the other time that he was excited at the gym’s kid club and threw up toys accidentally hit one of other kid. His academic was diagnosed by the school diagnostician was above average, but his intelligence below average. My observation on him for the last 2 years in my custody, I do not believe he has ADHD for many reasons.

1) His mother attempted to abort him for multiple times because she married me for financial motivation purposes. Only reason she kept him because I filed for the annulment after 5 months of marriage.
2) He was abused and neglected by her; she locked him and his older half-brother in the bedroom by themselves sometime more than 3 hours.
3) She is a heavy smoker, started smoking since she was 12 years old.
4) She has psychological problems include compulsive liar, bipolar, multiple personalities. She even failed high school (when I filed for divorce, I found out that she was never graduated from high school).
5) He was removed from his mother by the Child Protective Services and placed him to the foster care. They did not let me have him because she told them I have PSTD from my Military service, and I am mentally disorder. In order to get the custody of him after 9 months, I had to appear in court 15 times and went through psychiatric evaluation, social counseling, drug tests, parental classes and everything single thing the CPS made me go through.
6) He was diagnosed with speech delay and impairment. Which he did not talk until he was 3 ˝ years old; between 3 ˝ and 4; his speech was extremely hard to understand.
7) If he was delayed speech development; and his body is only 3 to 5 percentiles comparing to kids at his age. Which I believe his behavior is at least 1 year immature than other kids.
8) Since he went through a lot of; I did not have much expectation on him until at least he is in first grade.

After the first ARD meeting with the staffs and faculty at his Kindergarten school. I comply their expectation by putting him on medication twice per day while at school and on school day only. I was never received any feedback about his improvement behavior. Extend to their requirements, I setup additional school curriculum at home for him. Now, he has not completed half year of Kindergarten; but after two months on my home schooling. He is doing 1st grade math, reading, and vocabulary at home.

Sometimes he does not want to study, I change the way of teaching by let him watching educational YouTube video. And laying games on ABCMOUSE.COM (early learning academy) for PreK to 2nd grade.
Recently I spoke with his disability specialist teacher, she said that his academic is significantly improved. But his behavior does not change much, and she wants to move him to different group.

Recently, we went back to the Pediatric Neurologist for medication prescription. I have to answered question against base on my observation. The result came to his ADHD is not met; however, the Doctor did not discuss anything about with me about the result instead asking me about his diet and gave me more prescription. When I mentioned about I reduced his sugar intake by not allowing him to eat candy, cakes, juices and etc. She raised her voice at me that I should let him eat whatever he wants due to ADHD medication can make him lose his appetite.

Now, I have a feeling that this Doctor does not need him as a patient; but rather a client.
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My son is 5 years old, and he was diagnosed with ADHD by Pediatric Neurologist. The school teacher brought up the issues that his behavior abnormal, and sometimes his behavior leading to hurting other people. For example, an art teacher wearing long necklace trying to help him with his art works; he grasped it leading to mark on her neck. One of the other time that he was excited at the gym’s kid club and threw up toys accidentally hit one of other kid. His academic was diagnosed by the school diagnostician was above average, but his intelligence below average. My observation on him for the last 2 years in my custody, I do not believe he has ADHD for many reasons.
If a Ped Neuro diagnosed him and these observed impulsive behaviors are happening then something isnt right. I think it is ADHD but if its not. something else is going on that HAS to be addressed. He is hurting other people.



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1) His mother attempted to abort him for multiple times because she married me for financial motivation purposes. Only reason she kept him because I filed for the annulment after 5 months of marriage.
How does one attempt to abort a baby? Can you explain this?

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2) He was abused and neglected by her; she locked him and his older half-brother in the bedroom by themselves sometime more than 3 hours.
3) She is a heavy smoker, started smoking since she was 12 years old.
Genetics play a role in adhd but so can environment. Smoking during pregnancy increases the risks also.

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4) She has psychological problems include compulsive liar, bipolar, multiple personalities. She even failed high school (when I filed for divorce, I found out that she was never graduated from high school).
Has she been diagnosed with these things or are they your opinions?

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5) He was removed from his mother by the Child Protective Services and placed him to the foster care. They did not let me have him because she told them I have PSTD from my Military service, and I am mentally disorder. In order to get the custody of him after 9 months, I had to appear in court 15 times and went through psychiatric evaluation, social counseling, drug tests, parental classes and everything single thing the CPS made me go through.
This was hard but good. There is no doubt now that you are fit to keep custody of him.

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6) He was diagnosed with speech delay and impairment. Which he did not talk until he was 3 ˝ years old; between 3 ˝ and 4; his speech was extremely hard to understand.
7) If he was delayed speech development; and his body is only 3 to 5 percentiles comparing to kids at his age. Which I believe his behavior is at least 1 year immature than other kids.
These things are very common signs for young kids with adhd.

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Recently, we went back to the Pediatric Neurologist for medication prescription. I have to answered question against base on my observation. The result came to his ADHD is not met; however, the Doctor did not discuss anything about with me about the result instead asking me about his diet and gave me more prescription. When I mentioned about I reduced his sugar intake by not allowing him to eat candy, cakes, juices and etc. She raised her voice at me that I should let him eat whatever he wants due to ADHD medication can make him lose his appetite.
what do you mean his adhd was not met. And the doctor is correct. Diet does not treat adhd and the appetite suppression means he needs the extra calories.

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Now, I have a feeling that this Doctor does not need him as a patient; but rather a client.
The doctor is giving good advice. Do you understand adhd? Because it sounds like he has it but you think of it as something else and that he doesnt have it.
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Re: Adhd

I wish i was diagnosed at my childhood, everything could be different now(butterfly effect)
I was diagnosed at my 21 , my parents scared of medication like you , i didn't have serious problems during my childhood because my adhd was mild but i could do many things better if they put me on medication

I can only say that if your son needs to use medication and you arent letting him to use his medication.
U are doing very bad thing to him , he can have better life with medication. It can increase his life quality.
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My son is 5 years old, and he was diagnosed with ADHD by Pediatric Neurologist. The school teacher brought up the issues that his behavior abnormal, and sometimes his behavior leading to hurting other people. For example, an art teacher wearing long necklace trying to help him with his art works; he grasped it leading to mark on her neck. One of the other time that he was excited at the gym’s kid club and threw up toys accidentally hit one of other kid. His academic was diagnosed by the school diagnostician was above average, but his intelligence below average. My observation on him for the last 2 years in my custody, I do not believe he has ADHD for many reasons.

1) His mother attempted to abort him for multiple times because she married me for financial motivation purposes. Only reason she kept him because I filed for the annulment after 5 months of marriage.
2) He was abused and neglected by her; she locked him and his older half-brother in the bedroom by themselves sometime more than 3 hours.
3) She is a heavy smoker, started smoking since she was 12 years old.
4) She has psychological problems include compulsive liar, bipolar, multiple personalities. She even failed high school (when I filed for divorce, I found out that she was never graduated from high school).
5) He was removed from his mother by the Child Protective Services and placed him to the foster care. They did not let me have him because she told them I have PSTD from my Military service, and I am mentally disorder. In order to get the custody of him after 9 months, I had to appear in court 15 times and went through psychiatric evaluation, social counseling, drug tests, parental classes and everything single thing the CPS made me go through.
6) He was diagnosed with speech delay and impairment. Which he did not talk until he was 3 ˝ years old; between 3 ˝ and 4; his speech was extremely hard to understand.
7) If he was delayed speech development; and his body is only 3 to 5 percentiles comparing to kids at his age. Which I believe his behavior is at least 1 year immature than other kids.
8) Since he went through a lot of; I did not have much expectation on him until at least he is in first grade.

After the first ARD meeting with the staffs and faculty at his Kindergarten school. I comply their expectation by putting him on medication twice per day while at school and on school day only. I was never received any feedback about his improvement behavior. Extend to their requirements, I setup additional school curriculum at home for him. Now, he has not completed half year of Kindergarten; but after two months on my home schooling. He is doing 1st grade math, reading, and vocabulary at home.

Sometimes he does not want to study, I change the way of teaching by let him watching educational YouTube video. And laying games on ABCMOUSE.COM (early learning academy) for PreK to 2nd grade.
Recently I spoke with his disability specialist teacher, she said that his academic is significantly improved. But his behavior does not change much, and she wants to move him to different group.

Recently, we went back to the Pediatric Neurologist for medication prescription. I have to answered question against base on my observation. The result came to his ADHD is not met; however, the Doctor did not discuss anything about with me about the result instead asking me about his diet and gave me more prescription. When I mentioned about I reduced his sugar intake by not allowing him to eat candy, cakes, juices and etc. She raised her voice at me that I should let him eat whatever he wants due to ADHD medication can make him lose his appetite.

Now, I have a feeling that this Doctor does not need him as a patient; but rather a client.
I hear the frustration and you are entitled to it. It sounds like you and your child have been through a lot.

ADHD is about symptoms, there isn't a clear sign like with chicken pox where a doctor can look at a kid and go YUP ADHD. There are no tests like a strep test where a doctor can look at the results, prescribe some antibiotics and be done with you. ADHD is a catch all in my opinion for people who are different. If you don't think your son is ADHD that is your right, but just by what you wrote here you have to admit, he's different.

The school is likely going to give him an IEP, maybe team-taught classes, extended time for tests...etc. Things like that due to the issues they think are brought about from the ADHD. It's possible he doesn't have ADHD, maybe it's ODD, or Dyslexia, or Dysgraphia...the thing is, he would get pretty much the same accommodations either way. The goal for you has to be what is best for my kid...and allowing the school to address his academic weaknesses is what is best for him, so please allow them to address it.

I suspect your son also has what is called failure to thrive. I have seen how poor nutrition and lack of love and attention can make a child smaller and weaker than his peers. It's sad. It is an old wives tale that lack of sugar calms kids, it really doesn't. My ADHD son is a high level high school baseball player who is on ADHD meds, and he has a very hard time maintaining his weight. I allow him to get milkshakes at 6am, 3 meals if he wants them, and anything he craves in the sweets department because he can't keep his weight on. He takes a break from the meds on non-school days, and that is when he eats like a horse, but I do understand why the doctor was concerned you were denying high sugar high caloric products to your son.

I ask you to take a deep breath and step back. You don't have to agree with the ADHD diagnoses, but please let the professionals tell you what they would do to help your son. Like I said, maybe it isn't ADHD, but you have to admit, it's something.
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