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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

It may be wild and wacky. But I sometimes think that SCT could be a separate symptom cluster, and in some cases be a reaction to ADHD

In psycho babble dissociation(sct) to emotional trauma (adhd) type relationship
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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

i wonder about a polarity changing disorder, SCT to ADHD predominantly H
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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

(2:08) In this video Dr. Barkley says, “ADD-without H was found to involve...”

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-Slow and inaccurate information processing.

-Daydreamy, staring, easily confused, mental fogginess.

-Hypoactivity, sluggish movement, lethargy

-Social withdrawn, shy, anxious




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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

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3 types of inattentive. (DSM 4)

-formally ADHD-C
-sub threshold ADHD-C
-SCT

Quote:
3 out of 4 people with SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms, where the ADHD inattentive type.

1 out of 4 people with SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms, where the ADHD-C type or the ADHD-PH/I type.


Quote:
5.1% of population have SCT

5.1% of population have ADHD


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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

If…

2.55% of people have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.

2.55% of people have SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms

2.55% of people have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms

2.55% of people have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms



Then…

2.55% of people have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.

5.1% of people have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms.

2.55% of people have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms.



In other words, people are twice as likely to have both ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms, than either ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms, or, SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.





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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

If

2.55% of people have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.

5.1% of people have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms.

2.55% of people have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms.


Then…

7.65% of people have SCT symptoms

7.65% of people have ADHD symptoms


But something is incorrect somewhere because...

5.1% of people have SCT symptoms

5.1% of people have ADHD symptoms



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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

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But something is incorrect somewhere because...

5.1% of people have SCT symptoms

5.1% of people have ADHD symptoms
I'm not sure where you're getting the numbers above (from the video?), but it looks like you're double-counting the people who have ADHD and SCT symptoms.

You counted...
2.55% of people have SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms
and
2.55% of people have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms
...as though they were different people, and added them together, and came up with 5.1% for the "both" group.

But they're the same 2.55% who have both sets of symptoms (regardless of which order you say it), so they shouldn't be added together.

If that's correct, and it's...
2.55% ADHD+ SCT- (ADHD only)
2.55% ADHD+ SCT+ (both)
2.55% ADHD- SCT+ (SCT only)
...then the numbers work out to give 5.1% with ADHD (add both ADHD+ groups) and 5.1% with SCT (add both SCT+ groups).

(Here you're counting the "both" group towards the SCT total and the ADHD total because they have both. But you're not adding them to themselves, which I think is where your arithmetic went wrong above.)

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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

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Quote:
3 types of inattentive. (DSM 4)

-formally ADHD-C
-sub threshold ADHD-C
-SCT

Quote:
3 out of 4 people with SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms, where the ADHD inattentive type.

1 out of 4 people with SCT symptoms and ADHD symptoms, where the ADHD-C type or the ADHD-PH/I type.


Quote:
5.1% of population have SCT

5.1% of population have ADHD
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My thought is to wonder where the rest of the sentences went???

Unless "where" should have read "were"???
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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

If...

5.1% of the adult population have SCT

5.1% of the adult population have ADHD

(10.2% total)


And...

Half the people who have SCT symptoms have ADHD symptoms.

Half the people who have ADHD symptoms have SCT symptoms.


Then...

2.55% of the adult population have SCT

2.55% of the adult population have SCT and ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD and SCT

(10.2% total)


Then...

2.55% of adult population have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.

5.1% of adult population have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms.

2.55% of adult population have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms.

(10.2% total)


The adult population is twice as likely to have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms. Than the adult population who have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms, or, the adult population who have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.




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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

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If...

5.1% of the adult population have SCT

5.1% of the adult population have ADHD

(10.2% total)
Again, I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers (I'm assuming from the video).
If there's overlap in these populations --
that is, some people who have both ADHD and SCT --
then you're still (incorrectly) double-counting them.
The total percent of the population with ADHD and/or SCT should work out to less than 10.2, because some of the 5.1% in the ADHD group are also in the 5.1% with SCT, and vice-versa, and you don't want to count the same people twice.
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2.55% ADHD+ SCT- (ADHD only)
2.55% ADHD+ SCT+ (both)
2.55% ADHD- SCT+ (SCT only)
=7.65% total


But..

5.1% of the adult population has ADHD

5.1% of the adult population has SCT

=10.2% total


In other words...

Quote:
2.55% of the adult population have SCT

2.55% of the adult population have SCT and ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD and SCT

= (10.2% total)

Your idea is missing 2.55% of the adult population.







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=7.65% total
But..

5.1% of the adult population has ADHD

5.1% of the adult population has SCT

=10.2% total


In other words...

Your idea is missing 2.55% of the adult population.
Where are you getting the numbers you're using to begin with, and which ones did you calculate yourself?

My "idea" is based only on the numbers you gave -- where it looks like you're double-counting people.

If 50% of ADDF members are tall, and 50% of ADDF members are brown-haired, we wouldn't add them all together to get 100% -- because some of the tall members have brown hair and if we added them together without taking that into account, we'd come up with something incorrect.
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If...

5.1% of the adult population have SCT

5.1% of the adult population have ADHD

(10.2% total)


And...

Half the people who have SCT symptoms have ADHD symptoms.

Half the people who have ADHD symptoms have SCT symptoms.


Then...

2.55% of the adult population have SCT

2.55% of the adult population have SCT and ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD

2.55% of the adult population have ADHD and SCT

(10.2% total)


Then...

2.55% of adult population have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.

5.1% of adult population have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms.

2.55% of adult population have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms.

(10.2% total)


The adult population is twice as likely to have ADHD symptoms and SCT symptoms. Than the adult population who have ADHD symptoms without SCT symptoms, or, the adult population who have SCT symptoms without ADHD symptoms.




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Yes, that is clearer. But I am as curious as Namazu is about where you found
these statistics, that might help determine if you are correct in adding them
together.
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Re: Questions about so called SCT?

If we're starting with the numbers that
5.1% of the population has ADHD (shaded orange), and
5.1% of the population has SCT (shaded blue),
and half the cases with ADHD have SCT and vice-versa (purplish area where shading overlaps),
we can represent those numbers like this:

If this is correct...
The total % of the population with ADHD and/or SCT would be about 7.65%
= (2.55% ADHD only, 2.55% SCT only, and 2.55% ADHD + SCT)
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People are about equally likely to have ADHD only, SCT only, or ADHD+SCT (not twice as likely to have ADHD + SCT).
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