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Re: Sluggish Cognitive Tempo (SCT)

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Well okay then..but I have to say that I join this forum like 1 week ago and I didn't read ur previous comments. any ways some where good but that last few really made me think of u as insulting this proposed new condition. (sct) with the med dosage<<< then I went on a tangent, well any ways my fault.

Its nothing about being normal, normal is a objective word. IT could mean a good thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._with_dyslexia
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-----------the past is the past----any ways I need ur help---this is my situation

I am on the Verge of seeking meds (psychiatrist) but not sure if I will get them. I had concerta but didn't do anything, so the neurologist stop giving me meds and left me with a piece of paper saying please evaluate and she provided no referrals. so she basically Left me out in the cold...Before this happen I had an EEG but my brain waves didn't indicate ADHD/ADD, so she probably didn't believe me. and she made a comment saying "maybe ur not getting it thats why your trail off.""

Anyways can you tell me ur experience with ur meds? because I am not even sure I can be treated.



-------------other information for others aswell-------------
Dyslexia and ADHD connection
http://www.mendeley.com/research/dys...mosome-11p155/

Experts believe that SCT is a completely new disorder
"It has been roughly estimated that the SCT population may make up 30-50% (source?) of the ADHD-PI population and may even help define a completely new disorder.[3"

Those with SCT symptoms show a qualitatively different kind of attention deficit that is more typical of a true information input-output problem, such as memory retrieval and active working memory.

ADHDers don't have this issue their brain chemicals are just a bit off maybe evolution at work, might even be a good thing. (IF you want me to explain, ask) bit lazy here.

The DSM-5 is currently trying to classify it either with in ADHD or even a separate disorder.
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I think that there may be a difference in perception here.

I believe the reference to Wikipedia was used by echo5tango as a source to explain what SCT is for those who do not know - however the response from CF that Wikipedia was not a authoritative resource in psychiatric conditions was made so that readers would see the Wikipedia in the proper light {informative perhaps but not authoritative}.

I do know even in debate communities using Wikipedia is considered a poor source to back up ones presentation because of the nature of the contributions.


OKay next point is:

My questions tp the seperate condition supporters are if inattenve ADD is really a seperate condition:


1)Why would hyperactive ADD traits be replaced by inattentive traits as a person ages

2)Why would the same medication and treatments used for hyperactive and combined ADDers also work for inattentive ADDers as well.

3)Why don't the medication non-responders fall exclusive into the inattentive sub-type as opposed to following the population trend - meaning that most medication non-responder are combined simply because most ADDers are combined - inattentive some time do not respond but the number correlate with the percentage of the ADD population the represent

4)To what benefit is changing the name from ADD-PI to SCT-> Really does it make a difference seeing the conditions respond to the same treatments.









First of all religion is a banned topic so I can't touch it {this is meant to be funny}

Second of all SCT isn't a proper diagnosis as of this writing { this isn't}

answer your question as to why this SCT idea arouses such a passionate response - seriously there are several possibilities

First reason the SCT raises such passions in those who are not inattentive - because you are basically saying to the rest of us who are not inattentive " We are different from you so you can't be part of our little group, because only "people with purple eyes" belong to this group"

Second reason - reality I see the entire SCT issue as adding confusion to a subject that is murky enough as it is - personally I am looking to simplify not create more confusion.

The third reason will be addressing why some of the respondents are inattentive themselves.

If you will step back for a moment with me in the objective realm - using only the English language as a reference point what are you really saying when you say "SCT is a separate condition" You are saying " we aren't ADD at all"

Some with the inattentive ADD diagnosis do not wish to be separated from the ADD community they now call home - they finally found a place where they belong and frankly those who purpose that inattentive become a separate condition are threating to yank that away from them - which btw would engender strong emotions in those who have searched a life time for a place to belong thus the reason behind the "religious passions"

{so the reasons are really very obvious on many levels okay they are for me - well so much for hyperactive ADDers being unable to have insight -shrug}

I do hope my post helps answer as many question as it generates-
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I agree with some of ur comments however I am apart of this mess
Hyper and inattentive I heard will be combine type (correct me if I am wrong)

SCT is not referring to ADHD-Pi, seems to be a different disorder. and may not even be ADHD.

this may help u
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hoping for ur replies to explain
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Re: Sluggish Cognitive Tempo (SCT)

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I'm sorry but I think we're failing to communicate here somehow. None of the references provided appears to make any mention, whether direct or implied, of *temporal* lobe functioning being involved in SCT. But I thank you for your thoughtful response nonetheless.

bradd

PS: You mention you have Audio Processing Disorder. Though this is not the same thing as SCT, it is one of the disorders which often co-occurs with SCT (as well as ADHD-C, etc.) Indeed Audio Processing Disorder does involve the temporal lobes (e.g. Broca's Area). But again, while it can be a comorbid disorder occurring along side SCT, Audio Processing Disorder is an altogether and distinctly different entity from SCT.

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Your welcome

Its been kinda hard finding the articles to be honest but if you understand what the temporal lobe function it may help you understand, wiki it.

APD (miss-interpretation's) and dyslexia (LD) my severity of these two conditions are not so sever. Its like I have a processing disorder of some sort that leads me to interpretation's and have reading problems. I can read but not spell. In which I have these two seemingly different conditions but related.

These are all result of poor working memory and revival problems. which is the conditions fits almost perfectly in SCT and to me.


Adjacent areas in the superior, posterior and lateral parts of the temporal lobes are involved in high-level auditory processing. In humans this includes speech, for which the left temporal lobe in particular seems to be specialized. Wernicke's area, which spans the region between temporal and parietal lobes, plays a key role (in tandem with Broca's area, which is in the frontal lobe). The functions of the left temporal lobe are not limited to low-level perception but extend to comprehension, naming, verbal memory and other language functions.

SCT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_cognitive_tempo

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I didn't save the links I was reading, but some key words to search for on wikipedia and google are: electrotonic coupling, neural populations, neural encoding, and of course - modafinil.

I'm also curious how many of you have a few of the following symptoms (which aren't often discussed, but could be relevant given the brain structures involved in ADHD-PI/SCT and the symptoms):
Lack of sense of smell
Lack of emotions/feelings (ie not strongly felt or not often)
Tendency to not drink or eat, even though you might be thirsty/hungry (ie. you recognize your body is calling for food/water, but you just aren't really driven to address the issue. For instance, I will skip meals or not get up to get a glass of water just because... i'm not sure why, it isn't that I'm THAT lazy or I don't think I need it).

I can't smell that well and my emotions are there but all over the place.
In high school all I ate was dinner no breakfast and ran track on top of that. its very interesting you say that. Although I love to eat, every hour I eat now that I am not in high school. BUt I exercise like every day for 30 mins or so doing (jogging), to not gain wait.
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Old 04-17-11, 01:55 AM
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I don't know what I'm going to do with my life, having these limitations. I feel everyone on here functions much better than I do. It makes me wonder if my SCT is compounded with a low IQ.

One area I excelled at was drawing and other visual arts. Unlike other activities I could do it hours on end. Growing up, I didn't know anyone else that outdid in me in that area. Maybe I should pursue it again, as it might be the only way to escape my mediocrity.
Dude I am somewhat skilled at art but more creative than normal (not really). meaning that I can't draw like real stuff but draw freely out of my head. and there seems to be a correlation with drawing trees and flowers only, so I never learned to go beyond that skill level.

Listen if U really have SCT or maybe not, you may still have Attention problems regardless of of meeting the criteria for ADHD. tell ur primary doctor about experiencing trouble academically he may refer u to specialist, who will likely find the cause. I wish I had done this sooner, now I am seeing a psychiatrist.

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When I was small my dad told me to think of a dice to learn how to count.
which every time I want to count there is a dice in my head.for example:adding 23 + 9
I say the # 23 in my head the 6 side pops up I count from there and then I just count three more. Although this thing is much faster it build-ed due to usage. (i don't see it very visually but I can see it in my own way)
if it wasn't for imagining I would be lost. in my head its outer structure then come details. (i know this is useless in a way but I find it helps)

I have a LD (dyslexia) aswell so I do understand ur pain.
When I was small I got hit for not being able to read by the teacher. and when I did math problems I would copy them wrong. I have memories of the teacher hitting me because I was staring at the board, rather than her. I learned to read at the age of 12 where I just understood what the word mean without being able to spell. so keeping at it, because the brain can adapt quite a bit, I remember the day I said to myself, just learn word for word. you know what everyday I just kept learning and so on. now I can read at college level or better. but still fail to spell and readout loud.

ART is rare to be recognized and is so competitive.
try online personality quiz to see jobs in the future u may like.
I get things like Scientist, teacher, but in reality I suck really bad academically. But these are thing I really want to do.

http://www.personalitytest.net/types...tions/intj.htm
mines

Test and post me urs okay

Hope I have helped you out a bit...I know its not much but its all i can offer with the web..srry I am just all over the place.

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I see you are the one arguing for a role of the temporal lobes in SCT, and I think also conflating SCT with language-oriented LD's, etc. That explains why I couldn't find any reference to this claim in the literature. But I'm not here to argue with anyone or even necessarily express personal agreement/disagreement; only discuss and possibly -despite what on the surface to me what appears to me to be some confusion- nevertheless to try to learn something from others. So much has been learned by scientists in recent decades about the brain, but so much more remains to be understood.

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Your welcome

Its been kinda hard finding the articles to be honest but if you understand what the temporal lobe function it may help you understand, wiki it.

APD (miss-interpretation's) and dyslexia (LD) my severity of these two conditions are not so sever. Its like I have a processing disorder of some sort that leads me to interpretation's and have reading problems. I can read but not spell. In which I have these two seemingly different conditions but related.

These are all result of poor working memory and revival problems. which is the conditions fits almost perfectly in SCT and to me.


Adjacent areas in the superior, posterior and lateral parts of the temporal lobes are involved in high-level auditory processing. In humans this includes speech, for which the left temporal lobe in particular seems to be specialized. Wernicke's area, which spans the region between temporal and parietal lobes, plays a key role (in tandem with Broca's area, which is in the frontal lobe). The functions of the left temporal lobe are not limited to low-level perception but extend to comprehension, naming, verbal memory and other language functions.

SCT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_cognitive_tempo

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I see you are the one arguing for a role of the temporal lobes in SCT, and I think also conflating SCT with language-oriented LD's, etc. That explains why I couldn't find any reference to this claim in the literature. But I'm not here to argue with anyone or even necessarily express personal agreement/disagreement; only discuss and possibly -despite what on the surface to me what appears to me to be some confusion- nevertheless to try to learn something from others. So much has been learned by scientists in recent decades about the brain, but so much more remains to be understood.

Bradd
True..I have been researching my LD and with attention issues for the last year and a half and I think SCT holds a lot more promises than any other disorder I have came across. although i am a bit bummed about treatment response.


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I think this is what I have. It's not that I don't want to be social, or have casual conversations, it's just that it's damn nearly impossible for me.
I don't like SCT, anyone have any success so far against SCT?!?

You may have social anxiety too, don't worry its very common.
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<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title -->Wow, after randomly falling on this SCT subject on wiki, and then finding this topic, I never really thought I had a disorder, but SCT fits me so well, it's hard to ignore.

Ever since elementry school I've always had a motivational problem with
are too strong to ignore.

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Elementary school I was always in my head and struggle to pay attention. I never had any behavior issues,its just that I rarely paid attention.
I always wanted to do good in school but never had the motivation, and to this day college I am having the same issues. I am good in math and science but my motivation to learn so many things like reading on top of this is just too hard because when I read, I start thinking of something else. and in math I go blank and have to restart to understand the problem.
Scter tend to have LD or problems with errors due to processing isssues, like reading, I consider myself dyslexic, because its just such a hard task to comeplete without thinking of somethin else.

I can relate with you on this level, I am good at math and understanding concepts but I have a problem with using the information I learned or the mental arousal to do it. I tend to intellectualize everything in my head or daydream, which relaxes me. I also good at social stiutaions but sometimes I try to be consideratie, which u have to do to get along with people. I Learn alot by what people say so even if I get bored I learn something new.

I am usally mental tired with task like reading but when it comes to anything physcial I can do it. I like running and my best in the 400 meter is 59 sec. (just for show) I also jog for 20 mins or so i n my house every day.
I have a lot of deficts like audio and processing speed. the only thing that is normal is by spatial abilities.


Well its nice hearing ur story...thanks for posting
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I'd really like to hear what augments help inattentive adhd in combination with stimulants. I've looked and from what I have found in my opinion overfocused adhd and inattentive are one of the same. Overfocused being the aftermath of frustrated inattentive ... Well that's my hybrid atleast. I would think intuniv or something like that would be of benefit. Currently , I have experienced a big help with ssri' eliminating these worry thoughts in inattentives but its not at all obsessive, it's just stuck in thought and I feel that ssri's aggravate adhd and demotivate more than help.
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I found out about this disorder yesterday and believe that I have a lot of the attentional problems listed here. I have had academic success as a PhD student and programmer. Since I have been programming since a child, I may have been receiving working memory exercise that helped me to deal with this problem more effectively. My working memory is pretty good if I'm programming or thinking through a problem, but I have difficulty focusing many other times (especially during conversations). I think the problem is following the line of thought of others. I can keep track of my own thoughts well, but it can be more difficult to think the same way others do. I often prefer to reason things out in writing, that way I can re-check the logic. Maybe being able to see the information lets me overcome the working memory problem. I received a perfect math score on the GRE, but I often have difficulty doing simple arithmetic in my head. I was able to do well on the GRE by working even simple arithmetic out on paper. Variables seem to present much less of a problem. My personal feeling is that SCT may not be that bad of a thing. Answers do come more slowly, but in math or science you may actually come up with a better answer by doing it the slow way! I would like to see someone go through the history books and determine which famous historical figures may have had SCT.

Does anyone else with this disorder have similar experience in academia or computer programming?

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..I think it was the combination of both alcohol and coke that made me very social. Because I did try coke another two times a bit later on, and it didn't have the same effect.
I have experienced this also. It turns out that when cocaine and alcohol are mixed, they produce a new drug called cocaethylene which is more than just the sum of their effects. Cocaine alone has no effect on me, but combined with alcohol it is very powerful.

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Lack of emotions/feelings (ie not strongly felt or not often)
Tendency to not drink or eat, even though you might be thirsty/hungry (ie. you recognize your body is calling for food/water, but you just aren't really driven to address the issue. For instance, I will skip meals or not get up to get a glass of water just because... i'm not sure why, it isn't that I'm THAT lazy or I don't think I need it).
I also have both of these symptoms, particularly with thirst. I am often dehydrated because I don't feel like drinking water. I am really amazed that someone else has this problem too. This symptom is made worse by psychedelic drugs..

I find it interesting that I have been on bupropion for years to treat depression, but this is also used to treat ADHD (maybe I was using it to treat the wrong disorder!). I am now wondering if I would be better off on methylphenidate or amphetamine.
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I've been told that I have no emotions either. Anyway I am 100% sure I have SCT and I also have a sex addiction and am wondering if they are related. Well not really a sex addiction but an addiction to masturbation. Does anyone else with SCT have this too or is it just a whole different problem?
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This is total bunk. It's not that easy and they are nimit separate. ADHD is a bit of both and every situation varies. No two people are the same, and stimulants help both.
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Hi guys, if you think or know that you have SCT try this as i believe it might help.
i) Go see your doctor and make sure you don't have any vitamin deficiencies. Check all your vitamins especially b1-b12 and check the levels of minerals like iron zinc etc. Check your thyroid as well and make sure everything is in the healthy range.
ii) Make sure you exercise and get in some high intensity cardio every day
iii) Finally, give up masturbation.

I have SCT and I am going to try this. From research that I have done, these can all be problems that are magnifying our add symptoms.
Try all of these for 2 months with me. After 2 months if you don't see a drastic improvement in memory/concentration problems I'll be surprised. I truly believe this will help.
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Hello everyone.
I was diagnosed ADHD, depression, and social anxiety. I happened to watch Dr.Russell Barkley's video on youtube and I noticed the criteria of SCT describes me pretty well, better than ADHD critera. I googled SCT and found this thread and I was in all tears. I found out a lot of people around the world actually have the same patterns in their lives. I am not alone. I have seen about 6 doctors and finally found a good one to diagnose me ADHD. I am taking-

Aderall-60mg (the first time I felt like the weird "sickness" has been treated. It helps getting rid of majority part of sluggishness, better motivation to "initiate" myself, better alertness which helps driving and maybe slightly better attention when I study and read. However It wore off a bit after first week. Eventually it offers modest to moderate level of help)

Wellbutrin-300mg (It helps me stabillize my mood slghtly. Every little bit help matters)

abilify-10mg (My doctor prescribed it to stabilize my mood. I feel like more motivation to do things and not afraid to go to school. I think I get rid off my depression)

These are medicine that I am responsive to even before diagnosed ADHD. Have tried Strettera 60mg but no response at all, neither positive nor negative. I plan to discuss SCT with my doctor but...so what? there is no medicine designed for SCT. Well, at least now I know what happens to me, I am not just a lazy or no motivation person.
btw,I suspect the cause (mostly genetics)of ADHD and SCT are intertwined. Because I have 2 niece both have ADHD-hyperactive type and 1 niece with ADHD-inattentive type. But SCT deserves to be distinctly labeled due to amount of difference. I dont want someone else to be diagnosed healthy and spend 10 years and 6 doctors to find out this thing.
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