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Old 08-05-07, 03:22 PM
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Ben, apologies! I didn't know there was a difference between dip and chewing tobacco! Der.
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I always thought the chewing tobaccoo was less harmful than the dipping tobaccoo?
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Ben, apologies! I didn't know there was a difference between dip and chewing tobacco! Der.
Well, FD, if it's any consolation . . . this thread title had me thinking skinny dipping, chip dipping or dipping ice cream cones. I had no idea one "dipped" snuff. Learn something new everyday.

Now, back to Taters. Taters, I managed to kick a 34 year cigarette addiction with the help of bupropion and I mean it when I say it was a piece of cake. It doesn't work for everyone, but I wish I had tried it years ago.
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Ben, apologies! I didn't know there was a difference between dip and chewing tobacco! Der.
Yeah - chewing tobacco you chew, dipping tobacco you just put in the front of your bottom teeth between your lip and teeth and let the nicotine seep into your saliva and thus bloodstream.

It's not as bad, but it's still gross
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Yeah - chewing tobacco you chew, dipping tobacco you just put in the front of your bottom teeth between your lip and teeth and let the nicotine seep into your saliva and thus bloodstream.

It's not as bad, but it's still gross
Actually the nicotine is absorbed through the skin, not via your saliva and into your stomach. I mean, I'm sure that some of it is absorbed by way of your digestive tract, but most of it is through the mucus membrane.
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Old 08-06-07, 10:11 PM
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Dip is more potent, in many brands I know kodiak for sure....there's fiber glass mixed in, which cuts your lips allowing more absorbtion of nicotine.
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I'd say get off the nicotine. I'm sure you've heard this before - but dipping, smoking, etc. on a daily basis should be avoided. While dipping is probably the least harmful (i.e. less cancer) of the mainstream forms of tobacco, it still gives you smoker's breath and will rot your gums out eventually.

I don't mean to sound condescending or anything (I myself smoke a cigar or two every so often) BUT you should really find a different habbit - maybe that 'dipping' bubble gum they have now? ;-P
Absolutely untrue. I was a registered dental assistant for 12 years. I can tell a dipper right away because immediate changes occur in the mouth, squamous cells begin to form in the area the dipper parks his chew. Squamous cells are white, tough and the sign of beginning of cellular change in the mouth.
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From health canada:

Spit tobacco has over 3,000 chemicals, including 28 known carcinogens. Spit tobacco is not a safe substitute for cigarettes and can harm your health in many ways.

  • You can develop cancer of the mouth (lip, tongue, and cheek, floor and roof of the mouth) and throat.
  • Leukoplakia (white, leathery sores) may develop where tobacco is held in the mouth, such as the cheeks, gums or tongue. The longer you use spit tobacco, the more likely you are to get sores. These sores can turn into cancer of the mouth.
  • You may experience increased heart rate, higher blood pressure and irregular heartbeats.
  • You can become addicted to nicotine. Spit tobacco is addictive because it contains the drug nicotine. In fact, spit tobacco contains more nicotine than cigarettes do.
  • Constricted blood vessels (caused by the nicotine) can slow your reaction time and cause dizziness. Not a good thing if you play sports or are working in a dangerous environment.
  • You can develop tooth and gum disease including cavities, lost teeth, bad breath and painful sores. Using spit tobacco can cause bone loss around teeth and create worn spots or abrasions on the tooth surface. Gums injured from the chemicals in spit tobacco will pull away from your teeth, leaving them sensitive to hot and cold. This kind of damage is permanent.
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Absolutely untrue. I was a registered dental assistant for 12 years. I can tell a dipper right away because immediate changes occur in the mouth, squamous cells begin to form in the area the dipper parks his chew. Squamous cells are white, tough and the sign of beginning of cellular change in the mouth.
So you're saying it won't rot out their gums? I was pretty sure that once you got oral cancer, stuff just started falling apart in your mouth - lips, gums, tongue, etc.
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squamous cells turn into squamous cell carcinomas. Cancer that spreads. It can spread, unchecked, into the sorroundiing tissues and lymph nodes. Worst case scenario, reconstruction of the oral, tongue, and neck areas, which present Ear, Nose, and Throat specialists a very challenging case, and a very depressing one for the patient.

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No, I am new to the quote area...what I was quoting was the statement that it is not as harmful and least likely to cause cancer.
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No, I am new to the quote area...what I was quoting was the statement that it is not as harmful and least likely to cause cancer.
Well, it IS the least likely of the mainstream forms. Notice I NEVER said it was SAFE or OKAY. I just said that if you were choosing the lesser of two evils...
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alchohol and/or cigarette smoking can cause oral cancer. In fact, smoking causes a higher rate of oral cancer than chewing or dipping. When you burn the tobacco this greatly increases the number of carcinogens. No, chew does not contain fiberglass, another myth.

Both chew and smoking are bad for you. I would say dipping is the less of the two evils.
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"There are links to young men and women who use "smokeless" chewing or spit tobacco. Promoted as a safer alternative to smoking, it has in actuality not proven to be any safer to those who use it when referring to oral cancers. Tobacco companies have started campaigns to promote the safety of smokeless, but it is clear that while it may reduce lung cancers, it has a negative effect on the rates of oral cancers, pancreatic cancer, periodontal disease, and the chronic infections that it produces may even link it to heart disease as well. The gains against lung cancers likely will be offset by losses in other areas."

http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/facts/index.htm
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I dipped for 14 years, started with skoal and ended up with Cope... about a tin a day.. It was a disgusting habbit that I finally quit 2 years and 5 months ago.. cold turkey... well I did chew on toothpicks for 6 months.. but Chew is actually worse the cigaretts, you can get lip, gum, mouth, throat, and stomach cancer from it... where as you are more liely to get lung cancer from smokes.. not that you cant get throat and mouth cancer from smokes.. your just more likely to get it from chew... anyway I'm not here to judge just offer advice.. toothpicks are the way to go!
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