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Old 12-11-08, 11:54 PM
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Post Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

I did a research project for my English class about ADHD and the different aspects. Eventually, I came up with a proposal to implement mandatory testing before stimulant medications can be prescribed. I made an entire website devoted to my proposal and informing people. I understand that my goal is a bit lofty; however, at the very least, I hope to convince people who are experiencing negative side effects or considering taking their child to the doctor about ADHD to be tested. Please check out my website (the link is below) and let me know what you think or if there is information I need to add.

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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

There is lots to comment on. To keep it simple I'll just list out a few points.

1) The overall tone is biased toward a reactionary stance - that the most significant problems related to ADD/ADHD diagnosis are over diagnosis and excessively lax prescription practices.

2) This case is made by pointing out detrimental aspects of stimulant use.

3) To combat his, you propose more consistent and rigorous testing.


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I think this approach is lacking in these areas -

1) Testing is limited in what it reveals.

2) You don't address any of these limits (it is suggested that the tests are conclusive)

3) You are trying to make a case for testing a generally subjective area of human consciousness (self-regulation and decision making). Psychologists, parents and patients themselves will generally not accept that we have response and attention tests that are capable of accurately reflecting how these areas function, within an individual.

4) You don't address taking other steps, aside from medication, to aid individuals who have issues with attention or other executive functions. These other approaches may remediate the problem for some and may confirm the problem (the diagnosis) in others.

While that may be outside of the scope of your goal, I think it is a more beneficial approach to advocate.

5) You don't address diagnosing ADD/ADHD among different age groups. Perhaps you should narrow your approach to a specific age band (adolescents?)

To sum up my opinion -

I would be more enthusiastic about a web-site that promoted comprehensive evaluation and assessment for its own benefit, and not to combat an issue that is presented in somewhat alarmist terms.

I do think that a certain percentage of students (HS & college) take stimulants more as an aid than to address innate issues. But I also believe that a large percentage of ADD/ADHD individuals escape a diagnosis for a condition they do suffer from.

Intelligent steps should be taken not so much to reduce diagnoses, but to make better diagnoses. I think you advocate more of the former than of the later.
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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

I won't go into a detailed analysis, but your website is literally filled with technical inaccuracies and outright falsehoods. Since this is a research project, could you give us your references? How much offline research did you do? A lot of what you are repeating here sounds like the kind of misinformation you find across the internet. Worse, this is an incredibly poor research paper. You start with numerous theses such as "ADHD is over-diagnosed, and stimulants are bad" and "Availability of the DSM-IV encourages addictions and illicit amphetamine use", but then don't show any supporting data for any of these assertions. You quote sources, but don't cite them properly. Your technical definitions are not technical, nor are they factual. Then, to wrap things up you make a list of meaningless proposed solutions such as "The FDA should work to find a way to test people for ADHD, and then the problem will be solved".

I wouldn't particularly care about a poorly written research project, but I do care about a poorly written published website that presents itself as an authoritative source of information but is in fact incredibly and dangerously inaccurate. Your enthusiasm is commendable, but your results are not.
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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

excerpts from your web site {http://www.wix.com/amsauer/ADHD} it is misinformation so I am not repeating the live link - copy and paste will get ya there.

Please note my response are my pure unmedicated personal neurodiverse opinion - I will try not to be to blunt -

quotes from web site will look like this

Aims
To highlight and demonstrate the need for a new policy restricting who can receive a prescription for stimulant medications.


This is good let see who shouldn't get ADD medications - how about college students - they are the ones abusing it the most so lets say they can't have any - maybe people with blue eyes should not be allowed to receive pharmaceutical assistance either - getting the picture?

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ADHD is diagnosed ineffectively and misdiagnosed too often, resulting in a wide distribution of a controlled substance to persons who do not need it.

Wide distribution???? - exactly what constitutes a "wide distribution" - 3 college student in Washington state - half of Harlem, three pushers in street corners in veges -4% of fifth graders in Ms. Information's class

Without statistics and references as to the exact meaning of "wide distribution" t it means nothing - it is your generalized opinion pulled from thin air - it means nothing.



Conclusions
The FDA should collaborate with medical workers to implement a series of tests aimed at determining whether or not ADHD is present in patients, thereby reducing misdiagnosis and over distribution of the medications.


Duh - ya think??

If they had a way to test for ADD like have a way to test cholesterol or bad vision don't you think they would be doing it???

Defiantly a job for captain obvious





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ADHD is diagnosed ineffectively and misdiagnosed too often, resulting in a wide distribution of a controlled substance to persons who do not need it.


Same generalized statement you are manipulating an opinion to read as fact
- the fact is there is no fact - You have no states - strange how this web site seems to be lacking in references - bibliographies / those thing we had to put in research papers we did in school - i references give more weight to presentations unless those referenced are from sources that bogus - like $cientology groups


The leading stimulant medication, briefly mentioned before, is named Adderall. Not only does Adderall have a host of bad side effects, but it was determined to have caused death in 12 patients from 2000 to 2003

Says who, How was this determined and what does it mean when compared to other drugs - 12 deaths per year may sound alarming until one considers that the number of deaths caused by other drugs such as over the counter medications and alcohol use. . .. is much higher.

My basic problem is your scare tactics, the information provided is nothing more than speculation, what few actual truths you do present as take way out of context - Your over all web site is noticeably lacking in references to the original work This is a is common trick among those who are providing misinformation in a manipulative manner due to personal hidden agenda. . ..

The big bad fact of the thing is ADD medications are not the most common cause of adverse events they are no where near the leading causes of deaths due to adverse reactions - I did not see any ADD medication even listed in the top ten.

Here is my documentation to back up my statement - By the way this is how actual facts are presented


Adverse Drug Reactions Among Children Over a 10-Year Period

Consistent with the results of other studies,7,32 antibiotics, narcotic analgesics, and anticonvulsants were the drug classes associated most frequently with ADRs. ADRs that are common (eg, chills and rigor with the use of intravenously administered immunoglobulins) are not documented consistently at our hospital. This may contribute to the minor variability in the frequencies of drug classes.

Approximately 11% of ADRs were considered of high severity, defined as those requiring transfer to a higher level of care or leading to disability or death (Table 1). A meta-analysis of 39 prospective studies (only 2 of which were pediatric) from US hospitals estimated that the combined incidence of serious and fatal ADRs was 7%.5 Fatal ADRs accounted for 0.18% of all ADRs in our study, compared with 0.37% to 1.1% in other studies.5,7 The exclusion of preventable ADRs in our study might have contributed to the differences in the incidence of ADRs.

In our study, patients who experienced ADRs before hospital admission or who received medications during surgery were more likely to experience reactions rated high in severity. In addition, anticonvulsants and antineoplastic agents (eg, asparaginases) resulted commonly in serious or fatal ADRs. Furthermore, the time from initiation of drug administration to detection of ADR was longer for reactions with high severity. The duration of drug exposure, specifically to anticonvulsants or asparaginases, for the development of hypersensitivity or endocrine reactions has been shown to be delayed among children.33,34 On the basis of these findings, patients receiving these specific drug classes or receiving care in these settings require more-frequent and more-vigilant monitoring. These pharmacologic agents should be targeted for close evaluation, to detect ADRs earlier and to minimize drug exposure. Additional studies are necessary to examine the impact of ADRs in outpatient and surgical settings, because the affected sample was small.
~All underling and bold in source added by me~

Due to the above reasons I am going to side with blueroo - you report is full of false statements presented in misleading ways the information is crap - it isn't even useful for entertainment purposes -

I am unsure if your are really this poorly informed or if you are simply here to spread fear uncertainty and doubt - . . . .this isn't the community to let this stuff go unchallenged

I encourage readers to look for sources to back up all statements , make certain that the resource is actually a reputable one - then see if you can find the same information independently by other reputable sources .

Medical advice should not be ignored due to any thing any one here writes - including my self

Web sites and forums are places for peer support we are not qualified to give medical advice -

Ignorant people can put up web sites and write post - I am presenting information based upon facts I have gathered from sources - most of which I tried to provide - take it at face value but by all means use good judgment and consult the proper professional concerning any conditions you may have - Professionals are legally responsible for their recommendations we a just people on a computer - whose knowledge may vary
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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

Sorry, I'm a little late.

As another mentioned in his post, I believe we (meaning those Dx'd with ADHD) would all like to see improved techniques/technology to more accurately diagnose and treat ADHD.

One of the unfortunate aspects of our disorder is that the "system" can be manipulated by those with ill intentions. You’ll find many frank discussions here which detail all the reasons we denounce this practice so I won’t waste time on this thread mentioning them again.

As this was an English assignment, perhaps it was meant to be a persuasive argument? In that case, who is your target audience? As you’ve seen from the other posts here, you’ll have to better for this audience.

It’s obvious that you have attempted to research your topic and propose a plan of action. Unfortunately, it also appears that you had already formed your opinion and the research you attempted was only to support your own ideas and beliefs. I can easily find proof to back up the claim that the sky is actually purple. But to do so, I’ll need to leave out other important information.

This is exactly what you have done in attempting to validate your proposal.
From your site, a quote from this source:

Quote:
“In a study conducted during June 2008, amphetamines rank fourth among 12th graders for past-year illicit drug use.”
That sounded pretty bad when taken out of context. You built up your argument, then used this as a means to support it.

However, you left out everything else that was on the same page. Your intent appears to be that of painting the 12th grade illegal use of stimulants as being near crisis.

What you omitted reveals that since 2001, illegal use, or misuse, of stimulant medication has declined between 25 to 42 percent at each grade level.

Then there are a bunch of numbers and statistics from the research to support it.

The same NIMH document also reports this:

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The research so far suggests that individuals with ADHD do not become addicted to their stimulant medications when taken in the form and dosage prescribed by doctors. And, there have been several studies that report stimulant therapy in childhood does not increase the risk for subsequent drug and alcohol abuse disorders.
Quote:
5,6,7
Those little numbers at the end point you toward the following scholarly, peer-reviewed, scientific journals.

Quote:
5 Wilens TE, Faraone SV, Biederman J, Gunawardene S. Does stimulant therapy of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder
beget later substance abuse? A meta-analytic review of the literature. Pediatrics 111:179–185, 2003.

6
Mannuzza S, Klein RG, Truong NL, et al. Age of methylphenidate treatment initiation in children with ADHD and
later substance abuse: prospective follow-up into adulthood. Am J Psychiatry 165(5):604–609, 2008. Epub April 1,
2008. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract.

7
Biederman J, Monuteaux MC, Spencer T, Wilens TE, MacPherson HA, Faraone SV. Stimulant therapy and risk for
subsequent substance use disorders in male adults with ADHD: a naturalistic controlled 10-year follow-up study.
Am J Psychiatry
165(5):597-603, 2008. Epub March 3, 2008. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
18316421?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum



Another poorly chosen source to support your argument was this:

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“According to Wendy Richardson, a certified addiction specialist and expert on ADHD, it is estimated that as many as 30-50% of people with ADHD use drugs and become addicted to the medications.”
Sounds official and from a respectable source until the reader realizes you quoted this from Dr. Richardson’s substance abuse outpatient program website. I’m not implying the doctor isn’t reputable, only that quoting a blurb from a web page meant to market a service is not.

I found that in your first couple of sources. I lack the interest, and focus, to continue.

In summary, your paper lacks the use of critical thinking, is meant only to support a presupposed belief, and uses poor and misrepresented sources. However, I like the shade of blue you chose for your website.

On a different note, I strongly disagree with your following assessment:

Quote:
Conclusions
The FDA should collaborate with medical workers to implement a series of tests aimed at determining whether or not ADHD is present in patients, thereby reducing misdiagnosis and over distribution of the medications.
Ummm, no.

Luckily, the FDA knows what task they are charged with:
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FDA's Mission Statement


Quote:
The FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy, and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation’s food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation. The FDA is also responsible for advancing the public health by helping to speed innovations that make medicines and foods more effective, safer, and more affordable; and helping the public get the accurate, science-based information they need to use medicines and foods to improve their health.


Unfortunately, the FDA has enough difficulty handling that.

The FDA has NO business being involved in the diagnosis, or method of diagnosis, of any medical or psychological ailment. Besides lacking the expertise to do so, this would be a major conflict of interest.


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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

On a more positive note;
If you are truly an ADHD student at one of our country's fine learning institutions, have the passion to learn, and appreciate opposing viewpoints as being prime opportunities to do so....

I welcome you to ADDF.

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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

The longitudinal research I've read supports the use of stimulants as decreasing the risk of substance use disorders in boys.

In all of my 23 years of studying ADHD, the research I've read has consistently presented it as underdiagnosed.

While this is strictly anecdotal and should be taken as such,

In my 25 years of clinical practice, I've personally never seen a False Positive.

(You really don't have it but get the diagnosis).

Again, take that with the grain of salt that it's meant to be.

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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

Medications have saved my life! And then i really mean that it has literally saved my life. My school was going like **** before them and my self concidence was ZERO i couldn't start speaking to anyone (Inattentive) but when i got concerta my self confidence is rising and i can start talking to people!

And you can't really get "addicted" to the medication itself, at least not concerta. What you can get addicted to is how it changes you! Not the substance.

If your going to write an article about be NEUTRAL! Don't put your words in to make it sound "worse".
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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

Wow. Thanks for the mostly unhelpful criticism. I'm really glad I posted here! I would appreciate it if you people would refrain from the unnecessary personal attacks seeing as you know virtually nothing about me. As for my site... I am not an English major and am sorry if my version of a research paper isn't good enough for the high standards of an online forum. If you ask me, it is a bit ridiculous. I don't know any of you and probably never will, but as for the credibility of criticism through an online forum... I can't say I take it too seriously. There was a contact page on the site, so I suggest you use that if you have a legitimate suggestion that doesn't involve attacking me personally. Thank you for your time.
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Re: Dangers of Stimulants and Misdiagnosis

The leading stimulant medication, briefly mentioned before, is named Adderall. Not only does Adderall have a host of bad side effects, but it was determined to have caused death in 12 patients from 2000 to 2003

Death's caused by stimulant medication we're most likely abuse of them or the person who took it had an underlying condition (heart problem, etc). why would people keep taking adderall if there we're a host of bad side effects, most people only get a few of them and mildly.
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Nobody attacked your person. You might be able convince yourself that we're just mean spirited and attacking you, and thusly just write off our feedback, but the truth remains that your project has serious fundamental problems. You asked us for feedback and you got it. I'm sorry if you don't like what you're hearing.

Now, you have a dozen folks responding to tell you that your information is seriously flawed. Which is more likely? That all of us, including a Doctor experienced with ADD (that would be McTavish) and numerous people who have spent years reading, studying, and experiencing ADHD are all wrong. Or that you might be wrong?
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Wow. Thanks for the mostly unhelpful criticism
Don't ask a question if you won't like the answer.

And just because your ego is bruised, does not mean you were attacked personally.
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Thanks for the mostly unhelpful criticism.
I though there was a tremendous amount of helpful comments there -

1) be neutral or at least balanced
2) site you sources
3) use more meaningful and contextual data (statics)
4) correct factual errors


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I would appreciate it if you people would refrain from the unnecessary personal attacks seeing as you know virtually nothing about me.
I really didn't see much of that at all (I'd say I didn't see any, but I may have missed some).

The criticism was directed almost exclusively at your content.


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I am not an English major and am sorry if my version of a research paper isn't good enough for the high standards of an online forum.
If you wanted to post an opinion piece you should have submitted a blog to your teacher.

Not a policy presentation or a research paper.

If you are going to present something based on factual evidence (or something you say is based on factual evidence) then it should be judged on that basis.

A scientific study is not a poem. A social policy proposal is not a fictional short story.

Just because it was made "for English class" doesn't mean we should judge it by some other standards.

(If a scientific report was written in the form of a novel, and was criticized by the scientific community for failing in terms of its content, could the scientist defend herself by saying that she can't be expected to write a good novel - because she's not a novelist ?)

(Did you just want us to point out grammatical mistakes?)

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There was a contact page on the site, so I suggest you use that if you have a legitimate suggestion that doesn't involve attacking me personally.
Wow - maybe you should tell us to send them to you by registered mail (?)

Hey, thank you for engaging in dialogue. I offer you my sincerest best wishes.
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Thanks for the mostly unhelpful criticism. I'm really glad I posted here! I would appreciate it if you people would refrain from the unnecessary personal attacks seeing as you know virtually nothing about me.
Excuse me - although members slaughtered your ADD research project and shredded the validity of it not one person attacked you personally.

People are allowed to post their point of view here just as you were free to share yours. Saying the information on your web site is crap is not the same thing as saying you are because you are more then the web site you made.

It was a project for school - In my day I created several crap projects for school but that didn't make me the person crap - but my planning pretty much was.

While you have every right to question intentions here - others have the right to do the same. It would take very little lurking as a guest to figure out a presentation such as your research paper would get poor reviews from a sub-set of members yet you choose to post it any way. It was not a violation of ADDF guidelines so it was allowed to remain as were the reactions to it as they too are within the ADDF guidelines.

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The leading stimulant medication, briefly mentioned before, is named Adderall. Not only does Adderall have a host of bad side effects, but it was determined to have caused death in 12 patients from 2000 to 2003
I take Adderall, I have been taking Adderall for over a decade but apparently I keep forgetting to die = Damn ADD


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Death's caused by stimulant medication we're most likely abuse of them or the person who took it had an underlying condition (heart problem, etc). why would people keep taking adderall if there we're a host of bad side effects, most people only get a few of them and mildly.
My side effects have been being able to pay my bills on time, knowing I have bills which reminds me - hmm being able to remain on topic or recognize the straying in under five paragraphs, being able to sit long enough to learn how to use a computer not to mention write several thousand post on a single forum , oh and I am able to realize I have an emotions before reacting to it . . . I think I will keep those side effects now about those bills - I knew I turned on the computer for some thing . . .. which bill is almost over. . .. . oops





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I don't know any of you and probably never will, but as for the credibility of criticism through an online forum... I can't say I take it too seriously. There was a contact page on the site, so I suggest you use that if you have a legitimate suggestion that doesn't involve attacking me personally. Thank you for your time.
Hey buddy - you came here and joined just so you could post a hyperlink to your paper - in the social atmosphere of on-line forum this means you want feed back - You got feed back. If you wanted responses based upon ignorance then perhaps you should have posted it on a martial arts forum or one dedicated to auto mechanics You chose and ADD forum because

A) You wanted to know what people who have the condition thought

B) You wanted to spread misinformation to those looking for answers

C) You are trolling

D) You are poorly misinformed and in need of re-education.

As far as the responses go

One of the rules my mom taught be - If you do NOT want an honest answer then don't ask the question - it really is that simple. . . .
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