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Amphetamines and Cancer
Hi everyone...if this was previously discussed (although a quick search revealed nothing) feel free to ignore it. If not, please read & discuss. I'd really appreciate some feedback.
I'm presently tied up with some BS kinda work, so I'll express my opinion in more detail later on. Source Quote:
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
I have 2 things to say, both sound kind of harsh but that's simply my outlook on life. 1) I'm gonna die some time anyway, better to live a productive and enjoyable life than to live to be 78 years old in a nursing home having my diapers changed, and 2) I hope more conclusive results disprove any relation between any ADHD Medication, especially amphetamines (both isomers, aka Dexedrine/Vyvane or Adderall). I feel the way I do about #2 because obviously I don't want cancer, and if any research data was found solid and actually did prove a link, um a bit obvious already isn't it? It would be removed from the market entirely.
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
I am a cancer survivor on Adderall. I'm not the only one on this forum.
It is my goal- on a personal level- to be able to go off the medication at some point. Maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't. Regardless, scaring people unnecessarily is not, in my opinion, a great idea. I didn't have cancer because of stimulant use. I had cancer because I have a genetic pre-disposition to have cancer. Period. I have a cousin who has survived Hodgkins. He has never smoked nor has any member of his family. He has never had ADHD and does not show signs/symptoms of undiagnosed ADHD. He has never used recreational drugs. He does not drink alcohol. One of his parents died of cancer. His mother is also a cancer survivor. Never smoked, does not drink, and has never used a medication stronger than aspirin in her life. Has a history of cancer two prior generations ago. Theorize all you care to. But recognize that you are talking about theories. Genetic pre-disposition trumps speculation every time. So-called "new" cancer generally has minor predisposition in its make-up and also shows consumption (usually unknown) of a toxic substance. Think Love Canal. If you don't know what that is, Google is your friend. Very generally speaking, people with ADHD taking stimulant medication do not have an overwhelming need to fight ghosts. They are hard working people who are fighting to not only get through their days but are also treating their ADHD from a multi-modal approach. Fear mongering does not one of us any good whatsoever.
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
this is an interesting topic; however, i have some criticisms about how it is presented, about how it makes an implicit rather than explicit claim.
even though the thread makes no explicit claim or proposition, it makes an implicit one by providing quotes from several research papers as evidence. it reinforces that implicit claim by highlighting specific statements from those papers. and the implicit claim this thread makes is: 'using amphetamines causes cancer'. this is also evident in thread's broad and ambiguous title: 'Amphetamines and Cancer'. making an implicit rather than explicit claim is a common rhetorical strategy. it allows a person to make a claim (most often a controversial one) without taking responsibility for it. it allows them to escape criticism. so when someone challenges or criticizes the claim, the person who made it simply says something like: 'that's not what i mean'; or 'i never said that'. and when someone asks that person why he or she presented evidence without making an explicit claim, that person simply says: 'it was to start a discussion'. but no productive discussion on this topic can come from the way it has been presented. for that reason, and because the implicit claim it makes is misleading, i won't respond to the topic until the OP states exactly what his/her point is.
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
Two headlines from the source website:
Red Meat and Processed Meat Linked to Higher Mortality Rate Increased Alcohol Consumption = Increased Cancer Risk Looks like I also have to give up steak and malbec. Yeah, right! ![]() |
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
Don't forget breathing, we all know about the air we breathe contains toxic fumes! Everyone: hold your breath!! - okay sorry random moment.
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Correlation ≠ Causation.
e.g., Cancer is on the increase, yet the number of pirates is on the decrease, ergo, pirates prevent cancer!!! And lets not forget the probability of dying increases with age.
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
Thanks inmostleaf for gathering all these interesting data.
If amphetamines increase cancer risk, do other stimulants or treatments like Strattera or Wellbutrin increase the risk? Stress is said to be harmful to the immune system. Since ADD medication significantly reduces stress for most people who take it, maybe this will level out the risk if there is any??
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timtam: good post.
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
When I clicked on this thread, I thought it would be about using amphetamine to relieve the symptoms of cancer. Amphetamine can have a profoundly positive impact on some cancer patients, it can relieve fatigue and depression, potentiate painkillers, and even improve appetite. I was disgusted to see that the post was in fact attempting to scare people with the baseless and indefensible claim that therapeutic amphetamine might cause cancer.
There is absolutely no evidence that therapeutic oral doses of amphetamines cause cancer. The papers cited by the OP are completely irrelevant to ADHD patients taking their prescribed dose of amphetamine. Each and every one of the cited papers is irrelevant for one or more of the following reasons: *The paper is referring to amphetamine addicts using massive doses of impure street amphetamine. These people usually are using other drugs, too, and they are malnourished, neglectful of hygiene, and a wide array of other confounding factors. *The paper is referring to animal models, and the animals are inevitably being given huge doses of amphetamines when compared to human therapeutic doses. Also, animal model =/= human. *The paper is referring to petri dishes or slices of brain, which are even further from being human. *The paper is referring to stress hormones, immune function, and/or white cell counts. These things are completely orthogonal to cancer. "Amphetamine causes elevated cortisol" can be good or bad for cancer. It can be very good if the cortisol reduces swelling around a tumor, for instance. I have read many review papers by anti-amphetamine nut-jobs about all the side effects of amphetamines, including the most far-fetched and dubious side effects, and they never list that therapeutic amphetamine is carcinogenic. It is simply an untenable hypothesis. ADHD patients are not all giving themselves cancer. If you must spend your hours worrying about catastrophic side effect (which must be pretty rare if it hasn't been discovered yet in the tens of millions of daily stimulant users), here are some side effects that are slightly more believable: *Sudden cardiac death *Brain damage (specifically, loss of dopaminergic nerve terminals) |
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
This may be off topic so moderators... please feel free to move this to the appropriate thread.
Something that has been conspicuously absent from much literature, other than the round about way of saying which immuno cells amph suppresses, is the cause and effect of long term use and what is known as aids, a condition which has been known and treated by Doctors for 40 years in drug using patients. After 30 years of almost daily meth use alternating with my Dex script + severe stress of all my friends dying and work that caused severe social isolation for 5 months at a time I finally came down with pcp. I believe m condition was completely self induced via the drug and the emotional climate. One thing that is a positive is that Wellbutrin for ADD people is a drug that actually lowers cortisol... one of the main killers of the T-cells etc. I'll report back my results as I've only quit the meth for a month and have lowered Dex from 10 5mg per day to max 6 and am planning to gradually phase it out while I concentrate on rebuilding my immune system through rest, proper nutrition, a more active social life and a regular wake/sleep schedule. Best wishes for all K ![]() |
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
by the way, what is the dosage that these people were taking, were they therapeutic dosages or very high doses?
This is interesting, I would like to find out if this is a proper study or just scaremongering. |
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
Looking at some of the non-highlighted texts, (and highlighted one at the top) it's clear that these studies were done on people who were taking unregulated medications (diet pills that were taken off the market later, and forms of amphetamines that are not prescription types) and that there was a correlation between dose and response.
Same for the animal studies. Rats are given very high doses of the chemicals on trial to determine a worst-case result. They live about two years. In order to produce the same results in humans, you would have to take a cereal bowl full of the amphetamines every day for a good 20 years to have the same outcome. So what these studies show is that if you take lots and lots and lots of amphetamines, none of which appear to be ADD meds from the chemical names that were specifically studied (except maybe dex - not sure if that one's the same thing) then you have a higher chance of getting cancer. It's good to learn a little bit about how to read these studies, even though it's hard to get through the chemistry and the terminology, but it's worth it to protect yourself from people who misuse them for scare-mongering. |
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
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Re: Amphetamines and Cancer
The point Olavia makes is one I've pondered as well. ADD people have a paradoxical reaction to amphs and often other drugs as well. Is it really raising our cortisol levels since it does calm us.
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