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Old 04-12-09, 09:37 AM
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l-arginine and adderall?

anybody have experience or knowledge on l-arginine?

I take Adderall IR 10mg /twice daily, and it makes my libido really crazy. automatically after a dose i feel a compulsive urge to think about sex and masturbate.

basically, i've been reading, and it seems like l-arginine is often recommended for dealing with this. however, im not sure how effective it will be "against" adderall, since the urge is so strong and directly linked with each dose intake for me.

i'm a little confused because it seems like some people use l-arginine for erectile dysfunction and others use it to help reduce frequency of masturbation. seems a bit contradictory, but i think it is supposed to help blood flow in the penis for erectile dysfunction, but maybe that same affect on blood flow/circulation also helps ease the compulsive (???)

I believe seeds, soybeans, and certain diet choices can also contribute to the same intended effect as a l-arginine supplement.

I will DEFINITELY start exercising more...i have no idea how that would help, but obviously it just seems like exercise is helpful for any type of health/homeostatic problem.

furthermore, i have been really stressed lately (specially conflicts with people). like, yesterday I was arguing with someone for over an hour, and after it was resolved and I "got my way", i found myself stilll "powerless." in other words, i feel like the stress of the conflict furhter contributed to the compulsive urges.



SO YEAH, anybody have insight or related tips? im going to get some l-arginine at the store, and also pick up some running shoes. hopefully that will help, because i'm really getting fed up with it.

im having to urinate frequently, which is a direct correlate of excessive masturbation, and i just feel like its physically not healthy....could be fatiguing me and other stuf
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Old 04-13-09, 07:20 AM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

Adderall used to have that effect on me to (SERIOUSLY increased libido) but has decreased over time.

Eh I'm not sure where you read Arginine would decrease your libido. I used to take it to INCREASE my libido.

Exercising also increases my libido...

I'd say give it some time. Fight the urge (or better yet find a willing girl).
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Old 04-13-09, 04:49 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

No, no, lol, L-arginine INCREASES libido. It's actually called a "natural viagra" by some.

I was taking it, and I'm young, but even I noticed a difference about 1-2 weeks after being on it.

And since Adderall actually DECREASES blow flow down there, I think perhaps supplmenting with L-arginine would help counter-act the negative sexual side effects of Adderall. Sure adderall does kick some peoples sex drive into over-drive mode, but that's due to the release of dopamine in the brain. At the same time though, Adderall DECREASES blow flow to non-vital organs, including the penis, so taking L-arginine seems like it would help counter-act that negative side effect of Adderall. People often complain that Adderall makes them very hyper-sexual, but they "can't get it up" or when they do, it's not a full size erection... This is due to the decreased blow flow caused by the Adderal. Perhaps taking L-argine (which increases blood flow down there) on a daily basis, about 1-2 grams per day I'd recommend, on an empty stomach should start to show results within 1-2 weeks.

But in your case, no no, do not take L-arginine unless you want to have an INCREASE in Libido and an INCREASE in morning and random erections. L-arginine no doubt works. But it works to increase bloow flow and Libido, not the other way around. I'd return the L-arginine if i was you, that is, if you didn't open it yet.
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Old 04-13-09, 08:32 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

yeah i dont know, i know that l-arginine is supposed to help erections, but EVERYWHERE i read aboout masturbation "addiction", they mention l-arginine as helping.

i imagined that perhaps the blood flow doesnt cause sexual urges. sort of like how when you wake up in the morning with a full bladder, your prostate is stimulated, and you wake up with an erection. HOWEVER, in the morning if i have an erection, i don't necessarily feel "horny".
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Old 04-13-09, 08:36 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

i know this might sound extreme, but i've also been reading about low dose naltrexone.

i say extreme because people use it for MS. but it was originally (i think) used for alcoholics/drug withdrawal. but i read a case study (yes, i know case studies should not be generalized) about how LOW DOSE naltrexone (so like 1-4 mg) was effective in reducing internet sex/porn addiction (by blocking the opiod receptors or something).

i'm not gonna jump into anything, but im curious if anyone out there knows or has experiences with LDN.

ive read some people take it at night so that it blocks opiod receptors overnight, causing you to "naturally" build more endogenous opiods (endrophins?). the low dose should wear off by the morning and it is like a little "boost" throughout the day.
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Old 04-13-09, 11:26 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

Other people have asked about this in various threads regarding cold hands & feet on stimulants. This is because stimulants can cause vasoconstriction (cold hands, feet, weak erections). L-arginine is a precursor to nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator (opens up/relaxes blood vessels). I had no problems w/ sexual function on stimulants alone, but I did experience chilliness in places I shouldn't have been. Since being on stimulants, my panic disorder has resurfaced and I've been on 2 mg of Xanax daily as well. This killed my sexual function. L-arginine restored it, for the most part.

copperpenny, you do not need L-arginine for sexual purposes. It will perpetuate your "problem". However, if you take it before exercising, the benefits are plentiful. I work out regularly w/ weights & some mega cardio sessions (2000+ calories burned in some), and the L-arginine definitely works in the exercise endurance aspect. Someone on stimulants who wishes to counteract the vasoconstriction they cause is going to need more than 1-2 grams a day. I personally take 8 grams daily. I know some people who take 12. Divide up the doses equally. It MUST be taken on an empty stomach or 3 hours after eating to be absorbed properly. I personally notice a sense of body warmth/flushing, greater genital sensitivity, and if I am lifting weights, the size of my veins literally double. I mean freakishly. And your muscles will feel tighter and more "pumped". It is recommended for impotence & increasing libido. Most people with this problem will need @ least 5 grams daily to "raise the dead" however. The doctor who discovered the effects of nitric oxide, Dr. Louis J Ignarro, won the nobel prize for medicine in 1998. He has written a few books on it, and recommends EVERYONE take @ least 6 grams daily. Opening up arteries & blood vessels has a cleansing effect as well, that reduces arterial plaque and increases overall bodily circulation. The benefits of L-arginine are endless. But decreasing libido & the urge to masturbate are not among them.

Bodybuilding & "male enhancement" products are full of L-arginine. I have been using it for 6 months now and it really does alot of good.

copperpenny, I'm not sure how old you are but I really wouldn't be worried about a "sex addiction". If you seriously think it is interfering w/ your life or you are popping off in excess of 10 times a day, then focus on exercising until complete exhaustion on a regular schedule. This will release the stress hormone cortisol, which will definitely have a NEGATIVE impact on your sex drive. I know this from personal experience.

Sexuality is a great thing to have. You will not realize this until you have lost all of it. Enjoy the effects of dopamine & testosterone while you can. When you lose them, you will give anything to have your days of "porn addiction" back. Having no libido or desire is quite depressing. Looking @ an attractive woman and feeling nothing & not being able to be intimate w/ a girlfriend is even more depressing...

Unless things get out of control, don't worry about how much porn you watch or how much you self-gratify. It's part of being human. Channel that sexual energy into vigorous exercise if it is a problem for you. Avoid the naltrexone. It may seriously ***** w/ your head in combination w/ Adderall, and it's completely unneccesary.
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

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yeah i dont know, i know that l-arginine is supposed to help erections, but EVERYWHERE i read aboout masturbation "addiction", they mention l-arginine as helping.

i imagined that perhaps the blood flow doesnt cause sexual urges. sort of like how when you wake up in the morning with a full bladder, your prostate is stimulated, and you wake up with an erection. HOWEVER, in the morning if i have an erection, i don't necessarily feel "horny".
Well, but here's the problem. Viagra doesn't make you any "hornier" either, all it does is helps increase blood-flow to the penis. It helps to relax blood vessles. So Viagra/L-arginine won't make you any hornier, no, but the thing is the simple thought of anything sexual, or any kind of stimulation - if you're on Viagra or L-arinine it'll simply make you get a erection much more easier, and perhaps more often. On l-arginine you'll be expericing more morning erections.

So if you take L-arginine, pretty much when you start to get sexual thoughts you'll just have MORE erections, which will not help you're urge to "stop masterbating". If anything, it'll only make you want to masterbate more due to the fact that you'll be getting erections at the drop of a hat (that is, assuming you're young and healthy).

Adderall, like the person said above, is a vasoconstriction. So it'll make erections harder to get. The reason why it increases sexual drive is because of Dopamine relief. So adding L-arginine (a natural viagra) will only INCREASE sexual urges. Perhaps not really so much the sexual urges, but the simple fact you'll get erections much easier in itself can cause the urge to masterbate more often.

All in all, I'd definetly NOT try L-arginine to help stop masterbating. I guarantee you it'll only in-directly increase sex drive by the more frequent erections. Only take L-arginine if you want increased erections/sex drive.
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Old 04-15-09, 11:17 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

I agree l arginine was the basis during the research to create viagra
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

Arginine is the biggest scam in the supplement world. Arginine has a low blood absorbtion. most of the studies that have been done to proport these claims are from iv studies of Arginine. The vasodialation of Arginine is the effect of insulin relaese not NO2. In fact Arginine triggers a release of prolactin. Prolactin is the hormone released after sex so you're not walking around with a an erection.
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The vasodialation of Arginine is the effect of insulin relaese not NO2. In fact Arginine triggers a release of prolactin.
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Old 05-03-09, 01:19 PM
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

NO2
http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/conten...ract/135/5/543

sorry I misread the article on insulin. Arginine delays the glucose disposal rate. causing swelling.
http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/conten...ract/135/5/543

Have you ever seen someone with diabetes leg split open from too much blood glucose? it's like watching a pomegranate split open.
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

Those links both lead to the same article. The article is pretty vague, and old (1996). There are no specifics about the study. How many people were involved? What was the dosage given? How long was the study for? It just basically states that it potentiated the release of ACTH in diabetics. ACTH triggers the release of Androgens, but I have never seen any info on it stating that it is a vasodilator.

To say l-arginine is the biggest scam in the supplement world is a pretty monumental claim. It's like stating you've found the most dishonest used car salesman on the planet. Most supplements are useless and rarely live up to their claims, but I have a hard time believing that someone who has focused his life & studies on NO and won the Nobel Prize for medicine for his findings in 1998 would falsely state that l-arginine is a precursor to NO which causes the vasodilation, and recommend it for overall health to everyone. I also have a hard time believing that l-arginine stimulates prolactin release when after I take 5 grams on an empty stomach I experience a profound increase in genital sensitivity & mildly increased sexual interest. If it was prolactin taking over, it would be the opposite.

It's the only supplement I take besides a multivitamin. 5grams on an empty stomach twice daily. If the disgusting looking vein ascension, feeling of body warmth/flushness, increase in genital sensitivity, and increase in sexual interest are all in my head, then I did a damn good job of psychologically reversing something that was pretty much all but dead.
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

Sorry to bump this up after over a year of no posts on this.

I basically did a google search of "l-arginine and adderall", and this thread was the first hit hehe

I also take 10mg Adderall(generic-BARR), and I use l-arginine primarily for helping me with the blood flow to my mini-me, and shortly after I started using arginine I discovered that it helps for gym/weight-lifting.

Is there a limit on how much l-arginine one can take in a day? I saw some people here saying they took 4000-12000mg a day.

In the past, I never went higher than 3000mg.
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Re: l-arginine and adderall?

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Sorry to bump this up after over a year of no posts on this.

I basically did a google search of "l-arginine and adderall", and this thread was the first hit hehe

I also take 10mg Adderall(generic-BARR), and I use l-arginine primarily for helping me with the blood flow to my mini-me, and shortly after I started using arginine I discovered that it helps for gym/weight-lifting.

Is there a limit on how much l-arginine one can take in a day? I saw some people here saying they took 4000-12000mg a day.

In the past, I never went higher than 3000mg.

Sorry to post many months later in this thread, but I'm also curious about adderall and l-arg'. My psychiatrist told me he doesn't know the effects of taking l-arg with adderall, so I figured that I'd look around. I, too take 10mg of generic adderall (well, generic adderall xr to be exact), so I was wondering if it's safe to take l-arg when on adderall. I drink a protein shake that contains about 250mg of l-arg in it and I feel fine, but I want to know if taking a l-arg supplement that's like 400mg by itself would be safe too?

What amount of l-arg to you take stnwright? Anyone else have any advice/suggestions/ 0.02?
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No, no, lol, L-arginine INCREASES libido. It's actually called a "natural viagra" by some.

I was taking it, and I'm young, but even I noticed a difference about 1-2 weeks after being on it.

And since Adderall actually DECREASES blow flow down there, I think perhaps supplmenting with L-arginine would help counter-act the negative sexual side effects of Adderall. Sure adderall does kick some peoples sex drive into over-drive mode, but that's due to the release of dopamine in the brain. At the same time though, Adderall DECREASES blow flow to non-vital organs, including the penis, so taking L-arginine seems like it would help counter-act that negative side effect of Adderall. People often complain that Adderall makes them very hyper-sexual, but they "can't get it up" or when they do, it's not a full size erection... This is due to the decreased blow flow caused by the Adderal. Perhaps taking L-argine (which increases blood flow down there) on a daily basis, about 1-2 grams per day I'd recommend, on an empty stomach should start to show results within 1-2 weeks.

But in your case, no no, do not take L-arginine unless you want to have an INCREASE in Libido and an INCREASE in morning and random erections. L-arginine no doubt works. But it works to increase bloow flow and Libido, not the other way around. I'd return the L-arginine if i was you, that is, if you didn't open it yet.
I have only tested for one day and Iīm taking methylphenidate but for me the dilation of my blood vessels DECREASED my sex drive. My dick is not shrunken as it has been on this doses earlier and I donīt feel any urge to masturbate at all, which I have earlier when it was shrinked.
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