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Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

My mood fluctuates throughout the day... every couple of hours... its really annoying. I get lots of negative thoughts... then after getting distracted... I feel better.... this cycle repeats.


Is this Bipolar or ADHD?
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

It's a bit of a false dichotomy since it doesn't necessarily have to be either. I would argue that it's not bipolar however, since the moods are so rapid cycling. ADHD would be a better fit as it sounds like you have difficulty regulating your mood.
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

I sure can't tell you, but in my case, my moods would swing several times a month. Bipolar generally swings once or twice a year except for ultra-rapid cycling which is still far less frequent than what you have been experiencing.

Listen 2 me, I'm a doctah already! NOT

Anyway, Strattera (on top of Pristiq) has just smoothed my moods out. So I guess it was ADHD all along.

But really, rapid mood swings are so tiresome and so wearing, so please ask your doc when you can.

As for "lots of negative thoughts" try Cognitive therapy (self talk). I like Byron Katie's "the Work" just look her up on YouTube to see how her "4 questions and a turnaround" can be so powerful in disrupting negative self talk. And best of luck, really!
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

hmmm, never seen that listed as an adhd symptom

how far up and down do they go

pristiq works on areas of the brain other than adhd
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hmmm, never seen that listed as an adhd symptom

how far up and down do they go

pristiq works on areas of the brain other than adhd
Yeah, I have no clue. I'm just grateful for good results!

But I did read that symptoms can look similar in ADHD and BP and that diagnosing the difference can be a challenge. Also there are likely comorbidity issues for all of us with something.
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Yeah, I have no clue. I'm just grateful for good results!

But I did read that symptoms can look similar in ADHD and BP and that diagnosing the difference can be a challenge. Also there are likely comorbidity issues for all of us with something.
yea especially depression

is that what your pristiq is for?

yea i think the key would be treating symptoms , instead of trying to trace back everything to adhd

treat the symptoms , call it what you want ,, right?

oh and not saying it is bipolar (im about as qualified to say that as i am to say its adhd) but this was posted in the bipolar section, and ruling out bipolar for frequency of fluctuation is bad information

adhd is not a mood disorder
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

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ruling out bipolar for frequency of fluctuation is bad information
Actually I think you'll find that you can probably safely rule out bipolar at that frequency.

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Correct, but it does make it more difficult to regulate your mood.
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

Heck, even people without any mental disorders listed in the DSM-IV have mood swings. But this isn't the first time I've seen a statement that ADHD is not "a mood disorder." While it's not the primary criteria for an ADHD diagnosis, it's certainly not uncommon for those of us with ADHD to have some crazy mood swings. I found they were common when I was getting PMS, and still get them when I'm getting sick or when I have a migraine.

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Perhaps the most difficult differential diagnosis to make is between ADHD and Bipolar Mood Disorder, since they share many symptoms, including mood instability, bursts of energy and restlessness, talkativeness, and impatience.
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Both disorders share many characteristics: impulsivity, inattention, hyperactivity, physical energy, behavioral and emotional lability (behavior and emotions change frequently) ...
~ Dr. Charles Popper, link here


So - it could be either ADHD or Bipolar, or it could be both, or it could be neither (something else entirely). I hope your doctor is able to help.
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yea especially depression

is that what your pristiq is for?

yea i think the key would be treating symptoms , instead of trying to trace back everything to adhd

treat the symptoms , call it what you want ,, right?

oh and not saying it is bipolar (im about as qualified to say that as i am to say its adhd) but this was posted in the bipolar section, and ruling out bipolar for frequency of fluctuation is bad information

adhd is not a mood disorder
You're right, I overstepped.

The doc initially put me on Lamictal, but I was allergic and instead of lithium went for Pristiq which began to help with what I have always thought was chronic depression and PTSD from decades of caregiving and loss of two partners to cancer, but then he suggested ADHD and started me on Strattera and that has really helped.

But you are right, I'm no doctor. I mean seriously have seen the size of my brain!?!
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

What meds are you taking? Are you taking Strattera and Pristiq?
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What meds are you taking? Are you taking Strattera and Pristiq?

If you mean me (meridian) then yes, also prozac and klonopin.

If you mean the OP, I don't know.

BTW, daveADD brings up a good point. I'm not sure my diagnosis is complete!
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

Most of my mood fluctuations occur very rapidly... it hits rock bottom then comes back up and levels out, then goes up... and when it's rock bottom, I feel dissociation... like no one really wants me around... I don't have any close friends... etc... Is this a common feeling among those with bipolar disorder or ADD? Maybe there is another underlying disorder combined with either ADD or Bipolar..
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It's a bit of a false dichotomy since it doesn't necessarily have to be either. I would argue that it's not bipolar however, since the moods are so rapid cycling. ADHD would be a better fit as it sounds like you have difficulty regulating your mood.
I'd second you on that Archon- wildly fluctuating moods are part and parel of ADHD. Every ADDer who I have spoken to face to face says the same. I still find that my ability to get carried away by one or two "hot button" issues can be quite overwhelming. I have been working so hard on this- but a few spot fires persist.

Now I have had Bipolar 1- 2 episodes brought on by sleep deprivation and extreme stress at work - and it is NOTHING like the ADD mood fluctuations. That was an experience of awesome force- one I never want to repeat.

As an aside- I think the old psychotherapeutic concept of "manic defence" has real currency- I know when I went off I was pushing so hard to deal with a couple of threatening issues that a disaster was almost inevitable.
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I'd second you on that Archon- wildly fluctuating moods are part and parel of ADHD. Every ADDer who I have spoken to face to face says the same. I still find that my ability to get carried away by one or two "hot button" issues can be quite overwhelming. I have been working so hard on this- but a few spot fires persist.

Now I have had Bipolar 1- 2 episodes brought on by sleep deprivation and extreme stress at work - and it is NOTHING like the ADD mood fluctuations. That was an experience of awesome force- one I never want to repeat.

As an aside- I think the old psychotherapeutic concept of "manic defence" has real currency- I know when I went off I was pushing so hard to deal with a couple of threatening issues that a disaster was almost inevitable.
im sorry, yes add ers can get grumpy, but you are coreect it s nots like the fluctuation of someone with bipolar

and you cannot rule out bipolar because of that fast of a cycle
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Re: Mood fluctuations, adhd or bipolar?

[quote=Lunacie;831397]Heck, even people without any mental disorders listed in the DSM-IV have mood swings. But this isn't the first time I've seen a statement that ADHD is not "a mood disorder." While it's not the primary criteria for an ADHD diagnosis, it's certainly not uncommon for those of us with ADHD to have some crazy mood swings. I found they were common when I was getting PMS, and still get them when I'm getting sick or when I have a migraine.



~ William Dodson, M.D. link here

i see where your coming from but

1. both those sources are biased, ive yet to see any true studys or test on mood instability in adhd
2 it says all moods are brought on by a life experience
3. it seems more likely that mood swings around pms or migraines were caused by those events

and other poster bad information was the wrong way to put it

rapid (daily) mood shifts have been seen in bipolar 2 or cyclothymic

meds can also cause it


so even the source says being overdramatic (not by choice) and unexplained mood fluctuations are the difference

also daily mood instability is seen in personality disorders

thats why i said just treat the symptoms and who cares what they call it
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