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adhd and deficits in attention, motor control and perception

along with adhd John has been diaognosied with d.a.m.p (deficits in attention, motor control and perception)

as far as i know its a term that originally came from Sweden and is also being used in Australia.

i have been really trying to get some extra info on it but i'm not having much luck (I'm quite new to all this computer stuff ) i can get a lot on adhd but only a few lines on damp.

if any of you could point me in the right direction i would really really appriciate it. even the doctor never had any info she could give me on it she only gave me sheets on adhd (great help )

I know its a lot to ask but please please please help me as i so want to help John. :cry:
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DAMP is the combination of ADHD and DCD (developmental coordination disorder). Researching this condition can be tricky, because the terminology varies so much.
This article gives a pretty thorough explanation of motor coordination problems.
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2640.htm

When you go looking for more info, you may have more luck searching for some of these terms, rather than DAMP:
developmental coordination disorder/s
motor skills disorder/s
dyspraxia/s
sensory integration dysfunction
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Thanks Krisp

Every bit of help greatfully received

I met Gabriela in the chat room last night and she is actually from sweden and has said she has read quite a bit about it, so she has also offered to help me find out more Which will be Great.

If anybody else has any ideas I will look into every last one of them so please keep them comming thank you all
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i haven't got time to gather all the information on damp that i have (on and off my computer), but i'll try to get it done this week - check back with me on thursday, to kick me in the *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!*...

the term damp was coined by professor christopher gillberg (swedish child psychiatrist, and sweden's top researcher in the neuropsychiatric field - he's also a professor at some university in the uk).

i met him about a year ago, and he's a very nice man!
(*and* he knows *a lot* about neuropsychiatry!;-)
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Is DAMP a subset/superset of ADD or a completely seperate condition.

I have never had hyper issues, just attention issues.
I also definately have motion control issues, so I am curious.
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"damp" is "just" another name for add with dcd (developmental coordination disorder), i think...

i believe professor gillberg felt that neither the diagnosis "add" nor the diagnosis "adhd" really covers the motion control deficit that many of the patients who've been diagnosed with either add or adhd show.

professor gillberg diagnosed me as having adhd, add and dcd with asperger syndrome traits (or adhd and damp with asperger syndrome traits;-).

i actually didn't know the term "damp" was used outside of scandinavia!
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I hope that as we all learn more about these conditions, the terminology will get more standardized. In the USA, a child who presented with the same set of symptoms as clawless's son would not receive a diagnosis of DAMP (as that term is not used here), but would be dxed as ADHD, and would have additional diagnoses added to describe the rest of his symptoms. Dr. Gillberg has lumped this collection of symptoms together, in recognition of the fact that they very often occur together. US doctors still refer to each aspect separately, for example:

ADHD for the attention disorder;
Motor skills disorder, developmental coordination disorder, dyspraxia, motor planning disorders, or "clumsy child syndrome" for the motor issues;
Sensory integration dysfunction for the perceptual issues;
and possible other dxes as well if the child has specific problems with vision, auditory processing, etc.

Is that as clear as mud now? The same constellation of issues is popping up all over, but specialists are describing it in different ways and lumping different aspects of it together in their descriptions. I would love to see a little more consistency in their approaches, especially since my son falls into this category too!
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i *totally* agree!

it's all *very* confusing - especially when you (like me) try to learn what researchers from other countries are finding...

as i mentioned earlier, i have a neuropsychiatric diagnosis, but in addition to this, i also have a *medical* diagnosis that with at least 99% certainty (i'll leave the last % for the genes i got from my father, who'd probably be diagnosed with adhd/add and/or asperger syndrome, were he to be tested) caused my neuropsychiatric "problems".
it's called (in the u.s, where most of the research on this condition is done) acc - agenesis of the corpus callosum.
i have a form of this condition called p-acc - partial agenesis of the corpus callosum.
in sweden, however, it's called (by the *very* few doctors who've ever heard of it) cca, and so when i'm refer(r?)ing to it as p-acc, and mentioning something i read about this condition, almost *none* of the doctors know what i'm talking about...

it would be *very* helpful if the doctors/researchers/specialists could agree upon a common terminology...
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People with dyspraxia usually have a combination of problems, including:

Gross motor co-ordination skills (large movements):
Poor balance. Difficulty in riding a bicycle, going up and down hills
Poor posture and fatigue. Difficulty in standing for a long time as a result of weak muscle tone. Floppy, unstable round the joints. Some people with dyspraxia may have flat feet
Poor integration of the two sides of the body. Difficulty with some sports involving jumping and cycling
Poor hand-eye co-ordination. Difficulty with team sports especially those which involve catching a ball and batting. Difficulties with driving a car
Lack of rhythm when dancing, doing aerobics
Clumsy gait and movement. Difficulty changing direction, stopping and starting actions
Exaggerated ‘accessory movements’ such as flapping arms when running
Tendency to fall, trip, bump into things and people


Fine motor co-ordination skills (small movements):
Lack of manual dexterity. Poor at two-handed tasks, causing problems with using cutlery, cleaning, cooking, ironing, craft work, playing musical instruments
Poor manipulative skills. Difficulty with typing, handwriting and drawing. May have a poor pen grip, press too hard when writing and have difficulty when writing along a line
Inadequate grasp. Difficulty using tools and domestic implements, locks and keys
Difficulty with dressing and grooming activities, such as putting on makeup, shaving, doing hair, fastening clothes and tying shoelaces


Poorly established hand dominance:
May use either hand for different tasks at different times
Speech and language:
May talk continuously and repeat themselves. Some people with dyspraxia have difficulty with organising the content and sequence of their language
May have unclear speech and be unable to pronounce some words
Speech may have uncontrolled pitch, volume and rate.


Eye movements:
Tracking. Difficulty in following a moving object smoothly with eyes without moving head excessively. Tendency to lose the place while reading
Poor relocating. Cannot look quickly and effectively from one object to another (for example, looking from a TV to a magazine)


Perception (interpretation of the different senses):
Poor visual perception
Over-sensitive to light
Difficulty in distinguishing sounds from background noise. Tendency to be over-sensitive to noise
Over- or under-sensitive to touch. Can result in dislike of being touched and/or aversion to over-loose or tight clothing - tactile defensiveness
Over- or under-sensitive to smell and taste, temperature and pain
Lack of awareness of body position in space and spatial relationships. Can result in bumping into and tripping over things and people, dropping and spilling things
Little sense of time, speed, distance or weight. Leading to difficulties driving, cooking
Inadequate sense of direction. Difficulty distinguishing right from left means map reading skills are poor

Learning, thought and memory:
Difficulty in planning and organising thought
Poor memory, especially short-term memory. May forget and lose things
Unfocused and erratic. Can be messy and cluttered
Poor sequencing causes problems with maths, reading and spelling and writing reports at work
Accuracy problems. Difficulty with copying sounds, writing, movements, proofreading
Difficulty in following instructions, especially more than one at a time
Difficulty with concentration. May be easily distracted
May do only one thing at a time properly, though may try to do many things at once
Slow to finish a task. May daydream and wander about aimlessly


Emotion and behaviour:
Difficulty in listening to people, especially in large groups. Can be tactless, interrupt frequently. Problems with team work
Difficulty in picking up non-verbal signals or in judging tone or pitch of voice in themselves and or others. Tendency to take things literally. May listen but not understand
Slow to adapt to new or unpredictable situations. Sometimes avoids them altogether
Impulsive. Tendency to be easily frustrated, wanting immediate gratification
Tendency to be erratic – have ‘good and bad days’
Tendency to opt out of things that are too difficult


Emotions and behaviour as a result of difficulties experienced:
Tend to get stressed, depressed and anxious easily
May have difficulty sleeping
Prone to low self-esteem, emotional outbursts, phobias, fears, obsessions, compulsions and addictive behaviour.

Many of these characteristics are not unique to people with dyspraxia and not even the most severe case will have all the above characteristics. But adults with dyspraxia will tend to have more than their fair share of co-ordination and perceptual difficulties.
from: http://www.dyspraxiafoundation.org.u.../inadults.html
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okay...
geez - this adhd/add/dcd/damp "thing" just keeps getting more and more complicated!

seems to me the more i learn, the more i realise i have to learn more!
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allow me to quote off of the website you linked to:

"Other names include Developmental Co-ordination Disorder (DCD), Perceptuo-Motor Dysfunction, and Motor Learning Difficulties. It used to be known as Minimal Brain Damage and Clumsy Child Syndrome.

The condition is thought to affect up to eight percept of the population in varying degrees. Dyspraxia sometimes runs in families. There may be an overlap with ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder), Dyslexia and Asperger's Syndrome."

so dyspraxia *IS* dcd...
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If you were writing a psych eval you would separate the 2 dx's out and list them individually.
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can you see why I am so confused
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yeah, this is...
*lost for words*
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Don't try to absorb it all at once. It may be best to pick out one piece of the puzzle to read about first (like ADHD or DCD), and then move on when you're ready. As you read, you will find a great deal of overlap between all of these conditions. You'll probably also find that the experts don't necessarily agree on the proper definitions of these terms. But as you learn more, you will be able to pick out the issues your son has trouble with, and learn more about how he can be helped. In the long run, this will help him more than having a single neat, tidy diagnosis (though I sympathise with the desire for one! ) I recommend taking notes so that you can discuss your concerns with your doctor.

Has your doctor mentioned possible treatments for the motor problems yet? With my son, we've been advised to encourage physical activities of various kinds. I do think it helps, but it won't be a quick fix.
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